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| 03-14-18
| Msgr. Charles Pope
Posted on 04/21/2018 9:30:28 AM PDT by Salvation
Salvation and Church The teaching of no salvation outside the Church is important and one that must rightly be understood
Msgr. Charles Pope
3/14/2018
Question: I hear the Catholic Church teaches there is no salvation outside the Church. This would seem to condemn most to hell. Or am I missing something? — Name, location withheld
Answer: It is in fact a doctrine of the Church often repeated by the Fathers of the Church and taught formally. However, it must be understood properly.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church has this to say by way of explanation:
“‘Outside the Church there is no Salvation.’ ... Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body: Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church ... is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence, they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it. This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church” (CCC, Nos. 846-847).
This much is sure: Whoever is in heaven was saved by Jesus Christ in and through his Body the Church. But, as we know, there are many barriers to people fully understanding that the Church is the sole and necessary means for salvation, and thus, simply being outside the Church usually does not alone bring condemnation.
God can and, it would seem, does draw others unto himself in ways not always known to us. All of this can console us and bring an understanding that the teaching “outside the Church there is no salvation” is not understood absolutely.
But this consolation must not be the source of letting our missionary zeal wane. While it is possible to be saved beyond the Church, sacraments and explicit faith in Christ, it is much more difficult. Consider the following teaching from the Second Vatican Council:
“Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience. Nor does Divine Providence deny the helps necessary for salvation to those who, without blame on their part, have not yet arrived at an explicit knowledge of God and with His grace strive to live a good life. ... But often men, deceived by the Evil One, have become vain in their reasonings and have exchanged the truth of God for a lie, serving the creature rather than the Creator (cf. Rom 1:21, 25). Or some there are who, living and dying in this world without God, are exposed to final despair. Wherefore to promote the glory of God and procure the salvation of all of these, and mindful of the command of the Lord, ‘Preach the Gospel to every creature’ (Mk 16:16), the Church fosters the missions with care and attention” (Lumen Gentium, No. 16).
And therefore, we see that people often are deceived or let themselves be deceived. So, the fact that people can be saved apart from the Church is not a blank check or presumption that they likely will be saved. It must always be our earnest work to evangelize, for many “prefer the darkness” (see Jn 3:19).
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posted on
04/21/2018 9:30:28 AM PDT
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Salvation
To: nickcarraway; NYer; ELS; Pyro7480; livius; ArrogantBustard; Catholicguy; RobbyS; marshmallow; ...
Monsignor Pope Ping for his OSV column.
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posted on
04/21/2018 9:31:30 AM PDT
by
Salvation
("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
To: Salvation
It is in fact a doctrine of the Church often repeated by the Fathers of the Church and taught formally. Fortunately, this false teaching is never in Scripture.
Salvation is in Christ alone.
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posted on
04/21/2018 9:36:33 AM PDT
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aMorePerfectUnion
(Q is Admiral Michael S. Rogers)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
exactly- the thief on the cross wasn’t a catholic and didn’t belong to the church, nor did the poor beggar who was with Christ when he died- nor were the roman soldiers that got saved when paul was prisoner- nor was cesar’s household- Salvation is through Christ alone- not through Christ + the church
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posted on
04/21/2018 9:48:58 AM PDT
by
Bob434
To: nobamanomore
Open thread, open discussion. Discuss.
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posted on
04/21/2018 9:56:03 AM PDT
by
aMorePerfectUnion
(Q is Admiral Michael S. Rogers)
To: aMorePerfectUnion
This is NOT a false doctrine, especially as explained by Pope, Charles. The false doctrine is believing that any man-made organization is the Body of Christ, the Church. So lighten up, on the Catholic bashing. Jesus will do it so much better than you ever could, and His judgement will be perfectly applied.
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04/21/2018 10:09:52 AM PDT
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SubMareener
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To: SubMareener
This is NOT a false doctrine, especially as explained by Pope, Charles. Indeed, it is false exactly because it contradicts Scripture.
Romans10:
9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.
The false doctrine is believing that any man-made organization is the Body of Christ, the Church. The Body of Christ is the Body of those who have entrusted themselves to HIM for salvation. It is not earthly.
So lighten up, on the Catholic bashing. Jesus will do it so much better than you ever could, and His judgement will be perfectly applied.
I criticized a doctrine, not a Catholic. If you want to see anti-Catholic vitriol, just read the comments by FRomans about your Pope.
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posted on
04/21/2018 10:19:54 AM PDT
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aMorePerfectUnion
(Q is Admiral Michael S. Rogers)
To: aMorePerfectUnion
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posted on
04/21/2018 10:28:27 AM PDT
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Steelfish
Comment #10 Removed by Moderator
To: Bob434
However, the Catholic Church believes that the Good Thief exhibited a Baptism of Desire as well as a Baptism of Blood.
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posted on
04/21/2018 10:52:06 AM PDT
by
Salvation
("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
To: aMorePerfectUnion
I’ll take the words of Jesus Christ:
“Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you” (Jn 6:53).
And where do you find that Holy Communion? In the Catholic Church!
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posted on
04/21/2018 11:00:04 AM PDT
by
Salvation
("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
To: aMorePerfectUnion
Salvation is in Christ alone. This is obvious to anyone who understands scripture.
"I AM THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE. NO MAN COMES TO THE FATHER BY THROUGH ME." I see no mention of church in Christ's word.
The RC church seems to believe that it and not Christ is the Savior.
To: Steelfish
Christ established ONE truth and established ONE Church to convey His teachings. One salvation, found in no other than Christ. Nor any other way to salvation but HIM alone. No church gives salvation. No church died for anyone's sins.
Christ founded an assembly on earth (greek), wherever 2 or more are gathered in His name, and not a church (later german concept).
Those who obstinately refuse to accept Catholic teachings cannot hope for salvation.
Believe contrary to Scripture at your choosing. Your claim isn't in Scripture at all. It is a man-made assertion.
Inquiring minds have converted to Catholicism in the millions from every faith and culture.
Seems they are leaving in far greater numbers... South America alone.
PS - nice to see you back Steely.
To: Salvation
a Baptism of Desire as well as a Baptism of Blood. Neither Biblical. Just a man-made doctrine.
To: Salvation
And where do you find that Holy Communion? In the Catholic Church! There is no Holy Communion in Scripture. There is the Lord's Supper. It is celebrated until He returns, among believers everywhere.
To: JesusIsLord
The RC church seems to believe that it and not Christ is the Savior. It too, is a false doctrine.
To: aMorePerfectUnion
From the Last Supper Christ says to the Apostles, “Do this in remembrance of me.”
Again I’ll take Christ’s words over any others.
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posted on
04/21/2018 11:07:29 AM PDT
by
Salvation
("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
To: Salvation
From the Last Supper Christ says to the Apostles, “Do this in remembrance of me.” Christians do this everywhere when they celebrate the last supper.
To: aMorePerfectUnion
I will pray for your conversion.
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posted on
04/21/2018 11:15:28 AM PDT
by
Salvation
("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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