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| 03-14-18
| Msgr. Charles Pope
Posted on 04/21/2018 9:30:28 AM PDT by Salvation
Salvation and Church The teaching of no salvation outside the Church is important and one that must rightly be understood
Msgr. Charles Pope
3/14/2018
Question: I hear the Catholic Church teaches there is no salvation outside the Church. This would seem to condemn most to hell. Or am I missing something? — Name, location withheld
Answer: It is in fact a doctrine of the Church often repeated by the Fathers of the Church and taught formally. However, it must be understood properly.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church has this to say by way of explanation:
“‘Outside the Church there is no Salvation.’ ... Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body: Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church ... is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence, they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it. This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church” (CCC, Nos. 846-847).
This much is sure: Whoever is in heaven was saved by Jesus Christ in and through his Body the Church. But, as we know, there are many barriers to people fully understanding that the Church is the sole and necessary means for salvation, and thus, simply being outside the Church usually does not alone bring condemnation.
God can and, it would seem, does draw others unto himself in ways not always known to us. All of this can console us and bring an understanding that the teaching “outside the Church there is no salvation” is not understood absolutely.
But this consolation must not be the source of letting our missionary zeal wane. While it is possible to be saved beyond the Church, sacraments and explicit faith in Christ, it is much more difficult. Consider the following teaching from the Second Vatican Council:
“Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience. Nor does Divine Providence deny the helps necessary for salvation to those who, without blame on their part, have not yet arrived at an explicit knowledge of God and with His grace strive to live a good life. ... But often men, deceived by the Evil One, have become vain in their reasonings and have exchanged the truth of God for a lie, serving the creature rather than the Creator (cf. Rom 1:21, 25). Or some there are who, living and dying in this world without God, are exposed to final despair. Wherefore to promote the glory of God and procure the salvation of all of these, and mindful of the command of the Lord, ‘Preach the Gospel to every creature’ (Mk 16:16), the Church fosters the missions with care and attention” (Lumen Gentium, No. 16).
And therefore, we see that people often are deceived or let themselves be deceived. So, the fact that people can be saved apart from the Church is not a blank check or presumption that they likely will be saved. It must always be our earnest work to evangelize, for many “prefer the darkness” (see Jn 3:19).
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To: editor-surveyor
Forgot to say thanks for responding to my questions.
To: editor-surveyor
Rood is the most credible source there is.
Nah! I dont consider him to have any credibility at all.
To: editor-surveyor; aMorePerfectUnion
Rood is the most credible source there is. I'd sooner trust a used car dealer than Rood.
He'd have more integrity than Rood.
503
posted on
04/24/2018 5:39:08 PM PDT
by
metmom
( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
To: editor-surveyor
If you need so many words to try to tell me that the plain words of Scripture don’t mean the plain words of Scripture, AND that there’s some kind of Bible code spread across three different Apostles, especially when the original Christians would only have recieved one of those letters or two at most...
AND you have to pull out the mistranslation accusations of the cults of the past...
AND you have no proof other than just to insist it’s true with no evidence, textual, archeological, or otherwise...
AND the only theological training your leader has was from, excuse me, TWO sexual predators...
Yeah no. Peddle that snake oil somewhere else.
504
posted on
04/24/2018 5:40:06 PM PDT
by
Luircin
To: metmom
And this is why Rood’s brood are called cultists.
Because their only evidence is ROOD SAID SO REEEEEEE.
Whereas in the Bible the Bereans were praised for testing the Gospel against Scripture before believing.
505
posted on
04/24/2018 5:43:22 PM PDT
by
Luircin
To: metmom
And last I forget, Rood’s only theological instruction came from two serial rapists.
506
posted on
04/24/2018 5:44:10 PM PDT
by
Luircin
To: metmom
I’d sooner trust a used car dealer than Rood.
Id sooner trust Bernie Sanders to fix the economy than Rood.
To: Luircin
Here is some info concerning Wyatt... (wiki)
Wyatt was not considered credible by professional archaeologists and biblical scholars. The Garden Tomb Association of Jerusalem state in a letter they issue to visitors on request:
The Council of the Garden Tomb Association (London) totally refute the claim of Mr Wyatt to have discovered the original Ark of the Covenant or any other biblical artifacts within the boundaries of the area known as the Garden Tomb Jerusalem. Though Mr Wyatt was allowed to dig within this privately owned garden on a number of occasions (the last occasion being the summer of 1991) staff members of the Association observed his progress and entered his excavated shaft. As far as we are aware nothing was ever discovered to support his claims nor have we seen any evidence of biblical artifacts or temple treasures.
Archaeologist Joe Zias of Israel Antiquities Authority (IAA) has stated that “Ron Wyatt is neither an archaeologist nor has he ever carried out a legally licensed excavation in Israel or Jerusalem. In order to excavate one must have at least a BA in archaeology which he does not possess despite his claims to the contrary. ... [His claims] fall into the category of trash which one finds in tabloids such as the National Enquirer, Sun etc.”
To: aMorePerfectUnion
I will never understand the choice not to know what God declares and be saved from the wrath to come.I dont either bro, but ultimately, its on them. People who go to Hell, go there because they choose to. They may not realize they made that choice, till they wake up in the flames, 🔥 but they made the choice. Pretty sad, huh? 👎
509
posted on
04/24/2018 6:13:37 PM PDT
by
Mark17
(Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
To: boatbums
Thank you for striving to reach some common ground.
The Devil delights when we are divided especially over minor disagreements, misunderstandings or miscommunications.
I would much rather discuss what we hold in common and how our love for each other can be a beacon to those that do not know the Love of Christ, if we can agree on the creed and the commandments, especially the greatest commandment we are brothers in Christ Jesus.
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510
posted on
04/24/2018 6:17:33 PM PDT
by
infool7
(Observe, Orient, Pray, Decide, Act!(it's an OOPDA loop))
To: Mark17
People who go to Hell, go there because they choose to. They may not realize they made that choice, till they wake up in the flames, 🔥 but they made the choice. Pretty sad, huh? 👎
It is a terrible thing that is chosen by denial or not caring.
This thread discussion is a great example of someone who would choose comfort and familiarity today, over heaven for all eternity.
To: editor-surveyor
Rood is the most credible source there is.
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Even more so than Jesus, huh? Even more so than God himself?
And you wonder why you get called a cultist.
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posted on
04/24/2018 6:24:38 PM PDT
by
Luircin
To: Luircin; aMorePerfectUnion
But there comes a point where you have to stop casting pearls before swine, even if it means that the other party thinks they win because theres no point in continuing. You are correct sir. Sometimes we are casting pearls before swine, and sometimes we just need to leave people to their own devices. It is Gods job to open their spiritually dead eyes, but if they go to Hell, its their own choice. I dont like to see that happen, but its their own choice.
513
posted on
04/24/2018 6:27:57 PM PDT
by
Mark17
(Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
To: Mark17
It is God’s job to open their spiritually dead eyes, but if they go to Hell, it’s their own choice. I don’t like to see that happen, but it’s their own choice. All true.
To: boatbums
Amen. I rejoice in my salvation and will never go back to a religion that calls that a sin of presumption. Roger that. 😁 I like to commit the sin of presumption, by having assurance of salvation. Actually, its not a sin at all, but people who belong to a certain Roman religion, think it is. Like you, I will NEVER go back to a religion, where no one has any assurance of anything at all. Praise God for His wonderful GIFT of salvation.
515
posted on
04/24/2018 7:02:34 PM PDT
by
Mark17
(Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
To: infool7
I would much rather discuss what we hold in common and how our love for each other can be a beacon to those that do not know the Love of Christ, if we can agree on the creed and the commandments, especially the greatest commandment we are brothers in Christ Jesus. I'll be sure to ping you to threads where the Deity of Jesus Christ or the Trinity is argued. We don't often see many RCs giving input though that certainly is an area we agree upon.
As to the creed and the commandments, creeds may be useful as snapshots or shorthand for the things which we believe but they are not all that is needed since much Scripture went into determining what those elements of our faith contain. The Ten Commandments are certainly the guidelines God gave us to know right from wrong and what He expects from us, but you know as well as I do that they all need expounding and clarification. A huge mistake would be to think that God demands we obey the commandments in order to save us - a perversion of the gospel that was disputed even in the first century of Christianity and seems to still be going around. What I also know - having been a Roman Catholic - is that Catholicism teaches we must "cooperate" with God's grace by our works in order to remain in a state of grace and merit justification. It does NOT teach justification by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone to the glory of God alone.
So, yes, it's a good thing to be of one accord in our beliefs but it would not be a good thing to compromise our beliefs for the sake of brotherhood. You didn't see the Apostles doing that.
Now I exhort you, brothers, to consider those causing divisions and obstacles contrary to the teaching that you have learned, and turn away from them. For such do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own belly; and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive. (Romans 16:17,18)
516
posted on
04/24/2018 7:08:38 PM PDT
by
boatbums
(The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation, but washes you upon the Rock of Ages.)
To: Luircin
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You’re wacked out.
Yehova is working through Michael on a global basis.
The power of the Holy Spirit is evident in his every endeavor, presently in Taiwan, in a big way.
He exposes the cult of the inherited lies, which is what has your panties in a bunch, obviously. That is his major calling, bringing the nicolaitan-free word to the sheep.
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517
posted on
04/24/2018 9:21:34 PM PDT
by
editor-surveyor
(Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
To: Luircin
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You openly resist the clear words of scripture unceasingly.
Even Hort and Westco9tt themselves bragged that they had demolished the diety of Yeshua with their new Greek.
But that doesn’t seem to bother you a bit. You seem to enjoy their departures from the received majority text.
They knew you would; their daddy told them so!
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518
posted on
04/24/2018 9:28:32 PM PDT
by
editor-surveyor
(Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
To: metmom
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You might as well go to your car dealer with the attitude you have displayed toward the plain scripture.
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519
posted on
04/24/2018 9:30:05 PM PDT
by
editor-surveyor
(Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
To: metmom; aMorePerfectUnion
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>> “How convenient.” <<
You have no idea at all, do you!
Do you know anything at all about the Ark?
Do you know how many named in the OT died for approaching the Ark without the authority of the HS?
Are you trying to look foolish?
Wyatt was led all over the world by the HS to reveal the treasures and strong evidence Yehova left here to get the attention of arrogant scoffers like you.
The HS guided Wyatt’s every step for decades just for you scoffers.
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520
posted on
04/24/2018 9:37:37 PM PDT
by
editor-surveyor
(Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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