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| 03-14-18
| Msgr. Charles Pope
Posted on 04/21/2018 9:30:28 AM PDT by Salvation
Salvation and Church The teaching of no salvation outside the Church is important and one that must rightly be understood
Msgr. Charles Pope
3/14/2018
Question: I hear the Catholic Church teaches there is no salvation outside the Church. This would seem to condemn most to hell. Or am I missing something? — Name, location withheld
Answer: It is in fact a doctrine of the Church often repeated by the Fathers of the Church and taught formally. However, it must be understood properly.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church has this to say by way of explanation:
“‘Outside the Church there is no Salvation.’ ... Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body: Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church ... is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence, they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it. This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church” (CCC, Nos. 846-847).
This much is sure: Whoever is in heaven was saved by Jesus Christ in and through his Body the Church. But, as we know, there are many barriers to people fully understanding that the Church is the sole and necessary means for salvation, and thus, simply being outside the Church usually does not alone bring condemnation.
God can and, it would seem, does draw others unto himself in ways not always known to us. All of this can console us and bring an understanding that the teaching “outside the Church there is no salvation” is not understood absolutely.
But this consolation must not be the source of letting our missionary zeal wane. While it is possible to be saved beyond the Church, sacraments and explicit faith in Christ, it is much more difficult. Consider the following teaching from the Second Vatican Council:
“Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience. Nor does Divine Providence deny the helps necessary for salvation to those who, without blame on their part, have not yet arrived at an explicit knowledge of God and with His grace strive to live a good life. ... But often men, deceived by the Evil One, have become vain in their reasonings and have exchanged the truth of God for a lie, serving the creature rather than the Creator (cf. Rom 1:21, 25). Or some there are who, living and dying in this world without God, are exposed to final despair. Wherefore to promote the glory of God and procure the salvation of all of these, and mindful of the command of the Lord, ‘Preach the Gospel to every creature’ (Mk 16:16), the Church fosters the missions with care and attention” (Lumen Gentium, No. 16).
And therefore, we see that people often are deceived or let themselves be deceived. So, the fact that people can be saved apart from the Church is not a blank check or presumption that they likely will be saved. It must always be our earnest work to evangelize, for many “prefer the darkness” (see Jn 3:19).
TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History; Theology
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To: editor-surveyor
JESUS is the first-fruits, moron.
And I’ve read the Bible in the original Greek and Hebrew. Have you? Or do you depend on your #FakeRabbi to tell you what to think?
The entire book of Galatians proves that Rood is a fake, considering that the entire book is all about how believers in Jesus DON’T have to obey the old Jewish codes, and in fact, it’s the servants of the devil who demand that of Christians.
As Paul says, these false teachers should be chopping their own balls off.
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posted on
04/24/2018 12:20:11 PM PDT
by
Luircin
To: editor-surveyor
Yeah, the massive evidence is that Rood is a charlatan and a liar whose only theological training came from a sexual predator. And the only one speaking to him is the devil.
#ChangeMyMind
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posted on
04/24/2018 12:21:47 PM PDT
by
Luircin
To: Luircin
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You continually speak out of your own deep willful ignorance.
The evidence is out there for everyone to see, world wide.
You argue with the clear work of the Holy Spirit, and in so doing blaspheme the Holy Spirit.
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483
posted on
04/24/2018 12:25:03 PM PDT
by
editor-surveyor
(Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
To: Luircin
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The four and twenty elders are also the first fruits.
Study much?
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posted on
04/24/2018 12:26:49 PM PDT
by
editor-surveyor
(Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
To: editor-surveyor
Bahahahah. Again.
You’re talking Revelation 14, right?
Yeah, that completely contradicts your point. You said that the ‘firstfruits’ would be the only ones to be saved, whereas the chapter actually implies, and later states outright that they are only the first to be saved among a great multitude that no one can count.
In other words, you continue to be horribly ignorant about even the most basic words of Scripture.
Following a #FakeRabbi will do that to you.
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posted on
04/24/2018 12:36:39 PM PDT
by
Luircin
To: editor-surveyor
Hey, you’re the one blaspheming the Holy Spirit by demanding obedience to Jewish laws that the Holy Spirit, though the Apostle Paul, very specifically said were NOT required for salvation.
You’re the apostate and false prophet here.
And you’re the one going to Hell if you continue with your diabolical cult.
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posted on
04/24/2018 12:37:56 PM PDT
by
Luircin
To: Luircin
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>> “ Jewish laws ?”
What exactly are “Jewish Laws?
Judaism didn’t even exist until a millenium after Sinai!
You have zero understanding of the word!
Judaism is Phariseeism, which is the unbearable burden Yeshua demolished by his miracles.
It appears that you conflate Judaism with the Covenant.
Judaism is man made religion, just like christianity. The Covenant is Yehova’s “Perfect Law of Liberty” as James wrote. It is Yehova’s Righteousness.
Seek ye first the Kingdom of Yehova, and His Righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you!
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posted on
04/24/2018 12:47:11 PM PDT
by
editor-surveyor
(Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
To: editor-surveyor
To: editor-surveyor
Jewish laws, ie, the laws that #FakeRabbi Rood is demanding of you. The Old Covenant is no longer in effect; it’s fulfilled in Jesus, and your demands to keep obeying it are outright Satanic, as the Holy Spirit says through the Apostle Paul.
Oh, and incidentally: “Remind them of these things, and charge them before God not to quarrel about words, which does no good, but only ruins the hearers.”
You continue to blaspheme the Holy Spirit by denying entire books of inspired Scripture in order to keep defending your #fakerabbi.
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posted on
04/24/2018 1:08:11 PM PDT
by
Luircin
To: MHGinTN
By faith I follow all the commandments Excellent! Common ground we can work with.
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posted on
04/24/2018 3:25:05 PM PDT
by
infool7
(Observe, Orient, Pray, Decide, Act!(it's an OOPDA loop))
To: Steelfish; ealgeone; Luircin; daniel1212; metmom; MHGinTN
Hey steely,
Its been several days since you claimed there were thousands of Protestant theologians who become catholic.
I asked for a list, but you went quiet
Where is your list of thousands of Protestant theologians who have joined the Roman church??
Id very much like to see it, because it doesnt sound legitimate to me.
Have you found it yet?? Please post.
To: Luircin
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>> “Jewish laws, ie, the laws that #FakeRabbi Rood is demanding of you” <<
Proof of insanity!
Why do you insist on talking about things of which you have zero knowledge?
You know nothing of the Bible, Michael Rood, me, Judaism, or anything else that you post about.
Literally everything I have posted is scriptural, and everything you reject and vilify is scripture.
According to Jeremiah, the old covenant and the renewed covenant are the same, and both of them are not with any imaginary ‘church,’ but with the House of Judah, and the House of Israel.
If you wish to share in the benefits of the covenant (eternal life) you must sojourn with Israel. There is no other path.
The renewal of the covenant was the pouring of Yeshua’s blood on the mercy seat of the Ark of the Covenant.
That is what happened exactly when the Roman soldier pierced Yeshua’s side and blood and water flowed out of the wound and down through the crack in the rock into the grotto below where the Ark was hidden by Jeremiah.
The Holy Spirit commissioned the late Ron Wyatt to prove exactly that two decades ago. The very same Ron Wyatt that also located the Red Sea crossing, and Noah’s Ark.
And no, the Holy Spirit didn’t communicate with any of your fellow “inherited lies” believers.
It is constantly you that blasphemes the HS denying scripture, and twisting its words.
The Holy Spirit also led Jim and Penny Caldwell on a hike through the Arabian desert to the real location of Mt. Sinai, the mountain burned with fire when the covenant was delivered to Moses, and to the rock that Moses struck to bring water to his flock and their herds.
The Holy Spirit is kind of finiky in that He only leads believers, so he may not have even shown these fabulous things to you; you may be totally in the dark on these things.
Keep on cursing the believers with whom the HS does work if it sooths your feelings, and by all means do not study Rood’s Chronological Gospel teaching, another great work of the Holy Spirit, because it surely will only enrage you with the things it reveals.
Rabbis like you can be so depressing in your anger at your inability to control what Yeshua’s Sheep can see.
I don’t need to say ‘fake,’ cuz all Rabbis are as fake as you demonstrate yourself to be. Yeshua said so.
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posted on
04/24/2018 4:23:21 PM PDT
by
editor-surveyor
(Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
To: infool7
The point, at least for me is that we be as one, as our Dear Lord and Savior prayed we would be as He and the Father are one, unified against our one true enemy, the Devil, FIRST and bickering siblings SECOND if at all. Hey, I'm all for the unity of the spirit in the bond of peace but one man's "bickering" is another's earnestly contending for the faith once delivered unto the saints. I don't think we should EVER compromise on the gospel for the sake of ecumenical unity. That WOULD be something the devil delights in!
To your beautiful and comforting passage from John. Does our gentle Lord force us to open the door upon which He knocks? And if we are free to open that door or leave it closed, are we not ourselves also free to shut it closed on Him again.
It is comforting and beautiful because it assures us of our eternal security we have been promised when we faith upon the Lord Jesus Christ. He knows His sheep and we know Him and we follow Him and He gives us eternal life and we shall never perish nor can we be plucked from His hands. That comforts me and I hope you as well.
Sadly, there is a perversion of the gospel that makes our eternal security dependent upon OUR deserving of it. We didn't and never can deserve, merit or work for eternity within the presence of the Almighty Triune Godhead. That's why it is by His GRACE that we are saved. No, He doesn't IMPOSE grace upon mankind but when He saves us, it is Him that keeps us. Jesus said he would lose NONE of those who came to Him nor will He cast them out. We are saved by grace and we are kept by that same grace. As a guarantee of that promise, He gives the Holy Spirit to indwell us and we are sealed UNTIL THE DAY OF REDEMPTION. If Jesus said NO ONE can pluck us from His hands - I think that includes ourselves.
This truth is worth arguing for. It's clarity is essential for all those who would seek to know the truth and the God of truth and He has ensured we know that through His revealed word.
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posted on
04/24/2018 4:34:14 PM PDT
by
boatbums
(The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation, but washes you upon the Rock of Ages.)
To: editor-surveyor
Hey, please post proof of Noahs ark, the ark of the covenant, etc.
Im guessing you are believing this without proof, like most Rood claims.
Whaddaya got es???
To: aMorePerfectUnion
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Are you joking?
This stuff is ancient history.
Wyatt’s family do have web sites about the stuff, and the videos of the charriots in the Red sea have been posted here multiple times, both Wyatt’s stuff and the copy-cat guy’s stuff too.
The Mt Sinai stuff is up on some of Roods sites, and it is also available at History Channel.
Just search Noah’s Ark Wyatt and I know it will pop up.
The Ark of the covenant of course cannot be viewed, only Wyatt hinself was able to go in there and live. The HS struck about a half dozen of the Sanhedrin’s Cohenim dead that tried to replicate Wyatt’s actions, and they had to summon him from Texas to dragg them out. (long time ago)
Red Sea videos: www.theredseacrossing.com
Password: redseafree
There may be stuff at michaelrood.tv and you will have to create a log-in to see the stuff there. I don’t know what may be up.
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posted on
04/24/2018 5:06:31 PM PDT
by
editor-surveyor
(Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
To: editor-surveyor
The Ark of the covenant of course cannot be viewed, only Wyatt hinself was able to go in there and live. The HS struck about a half dozen of the Sanhedrins Cohenim dead that tried to replicate Wyatts actions, and they had to summon him from Texas to dragg them out. (long time ago)
So no evidence on that one?
Since Rood is not a credible source, Ill have to google.
To: aMorePerfectUnion
I just checked, the Red Sea Crossing and the Mt Sinai videos are up at michaelrood.com
Just scroll down a couple of clicks to an orange and yellow icon “A Rood Awakening from Israel”
They are the last 2 videos of that string.
As I said, y9ou will need to create a log-in with an email address and a password.
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posted on
04/24/2018 5:19:55 PM PDT
by
editor-surveyor
(Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
To: Mark17
Amen. I rejoice in my salvation and will never go back to a religion that calls that a “sin of presumption”.
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posted on
04/24/2018 5:22:25 PM PDT
by
boatbums
(The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation, but washes you upon the Rock of Ages.)
To: aMorePerfectUnion
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LOL!
Rood is the most credible source there is.
The only source for the stuff he did with Stan Johnson’s “prophecy Club.”
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posted on
04/24/2018 5:23:12 PM PDT
by
editor-surveyor
(Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
To: editor-surveyor; aMorePerfectUnion
The Ark of the covenant of course cannot be viewed, only Wyatt himself was able to go in there and live. The HS struck about a half dozen of the Sanhedrins Cohenim dead that tried to replicate Wyatts actions, and they had to summon him from Texas to dragg them out. (long time ago) How convenient.
Wyatt, the person making the claims, is the only one *allowed* to go there by the Holy Spirit, so we'll just have to take his word for it.
Anyone believing that nonsense is a totally gullible fool.
It's way too much like Joseph Smith and his golden plates, that oooops, the angel took back before anyone else could see them.
Yup..
Sure.........
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posted on
04/24/2018 5:33:01 PM PDT
by
metmom
( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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