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OSV.com ^ | 03-14-18 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 04/21/2018 9:30:28 AM PDT by Salvation

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To: editor-surveyor

Forgot to say thanks for responding to my questions.


501 posted on 04/24/2018 5:33:43 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Q is Admiral Michael S. Rogers)
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To: editor-surveyor

“Rood is the most credible source there is.

Nah! I don’t consider him to have any credibility at all.


502 posted on 04/24/2018 5:34:42 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Q is Admiral Michael S. Rogers)
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To: editor-surveyor; aMorePerfectUnion
Rood is the most credible source there is.

I'd sooner trust a used car dealer than Rood.

He'd have more integrity than Rood.

503 posted on 04/24/2018 5:39:08 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: editor-surveyor

If you need so many words to try to tell me that the plain words of Scripture don’t mean the plain words of Scripture, AND that there’s some kind of Bible code spread across three different Apostles, especially when the original Christians would only have recieved one of those letters or two at most...

AND you have to pull out the mistranslation accusations of the cults of the past...

AND you have no proof other than just to insist it’s true with no evidence, textual, archeological, or otherwise...

AND the only theological training your leader has was from, excuse me, TWO sexual predators...

Yeah no. Peddle that snake oil somewhere else.


504 posted on 04/24/2018 5:40:06 PM PDT by Luircin
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To: metmom

And this is why Rood’s brood are called cultists.

Because their only evidence is ROOD SAID SO REEEEEEE.

Whereas in the Bible the Bereans were praised for testing the Gospel against Scripture before believing.


505 posted on 04/24/2018 5:43:22 PM PDT by Luircin
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To: metmom

And last I forget, Rood’s only theological instruction came from two serial rapists.


506 posted on 04/24/2018 5:44:10 PM PDT by Luircin
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To: metmom

“I’d sooner trust a used car dealer than Rood.”

I’d sooner trust Bernie Sanders to fix the economy than Rood.


507 posted on 04/24/2018 5:49:12 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Q is Admiral Michael S. Rogers)
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To: Luircin

Here is some info concerning Wyatt... (wiki)

“Wyatt was not considered credible by professional archaeologists and biblical scholars. The Garden Tomb Association of Jerusalem state in a letter they issue to visitors on request:

“The Council of the Garden Tomb Association (London) totally refute the claim of Mr Wyatt to have discovered the original Ark of the Covenant or any other biblical artifacts within the boundaries of the area known as the Garden Tomb Jerusalem. Though Mr Wyatt was allowed to dig within this privately owned garden on a number of occasions (the last occasion being the summer of 1991) staff members of the Association observed his progress and entered his excavated shaft. As far as we are aware nothing was ever discovered to support his claims nor have we seen any evidence of biblical artifacts or temple treasures.

“Archaeologist Joe Zias of Israel Antiquities Authority (IAA) has stated that “Ron Wyatt is neither an archaeologist nor has he ever carried out a legally licensed excavation in Israel or Jerusalem. In order to excavate one must have at least a BA in archaeology which he does not possess despite his claims to the contrary. ... [His claims] fall into the category of trash which one finds in tabloids such as the National Enquirer, Sun etc.”


508 posted on 04/24/2018 5:54:35 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Q is Admiral Michael S. Rogers)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
I will never understand the choice not to know what God declares and be saved from the wrath to come.

I don’t either bro, but ultimately, it’s on them. People who go to Hell, go there because they choose to. They may not realize they made that choice, till they wake up in the flames, 🔥 but they made the choice. Pretty sad, huh? 👎

509 posted on 04/24/2018 6:13:37 PM PDT by Mark17 (Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
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To: boatbums
Thank you for striving to reach some common ground.

The Devil delights when we are divided especially over minor disagreements, misunderstandings or miscommunications.

I would much rather discuss what we hold in common and how our love for each other can be a beacon to those that do not know the Love of Christ, if we can agree on the creed and the commandments, especially the greatest commandment we are brothers in Christ Jesus.

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510 posted on 04/24/2018 6:17:33 PM PDT by infool7 (Observe, Orient, Pray, Decide, Act!(it's an OOPDA loop))
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To: Mark17
People who go to Hell, go there because they choose to. They may not realize they made that choice, till they wake up in the flames, 🔥 but they made the choice. Pretty sad, huh? 👎

It is a terrible thing that is chosen by denial or not caring.

This thread discussion is a great example of someone who would choose comfort and familiarity today, over heaven for all eternity.

511 posted on 04/24/2018 6:24:04 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Q is Admiral Michael S. Rogers)
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To: editor-surveyor

Rood is the most credible source there is.

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Even more so than Jesus, huh? Even more so than God himself?

And you wonder why you get called a cultist.


512 posted on 04/24/2018 6:24:38 PM PDT by Luircin
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To: Luircin; aMorePerfectUnion
But there comes a point where you have to stop casting pearls before swine, even if it means that the other party thinks they ‘win’ because there’s no point in continuing.

You are correct sir. Sometimes we are casting pearls before swine, and sometimes we just need to leave people to their own devices. It is God’s job to open their spiritually dead eyes, but if they go to Hell, it’s their own choice. I don’t like to see that happen, but it’s their own choice.

513 posted on 04/24/2018 6:27:57 PM PDT by Mark17 (Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
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To: Mark17
It is God’s job to open their spiritually dead eyes, but if they go to Hell, it’s their own choice. I don’t like to see that happen, but it’s their own choice.

All true.

514 posted on 04/24/2018 6:35:03 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Q is Admiral Michael S. Rogers)
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To: boatbums
Amen. I rejoice in my salvation and will never go back to a religion that calls that a “sin of presumption”.

Roger that. 😁 I like to commit the sin of presumption, by having assurance of salvation. Actually, it’s not a sin at all, but people who belong to a certain Roman religion, think it is. Like you, I will NEVER go back to a religion, where no one has any assurance of anything at all. Praise God for His wonderful GIFT of salvation.

515 posted on 04/24/2018 7:02:34 PM PDT by Mark17 (Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
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To: infool7
I would much rather discuss what we hold in common and how our love for each other can be a beacon to those that do not know the Love of Christ, if we can agree on the creed and the commandments, especially the greatest commandment we are brothers in Christ Jesus.

I'll be sure to ping you to threads where the Deity of Jesus Christ or the Trinity is argued. We don't often see many RCs giving input though that certainly is an area we agree upon.

As to the creed and the commandments, creeds may be useful as snapshots or shorthand for the things which we believe but they are not all that is needed since much Scripture went into determining what those elements of our faith contain. The Ten Commandments are certainly the guidelines God gave us to know right from wrong and what He expects from us, but you know as well as I do that they all need expounding and clarification. A huge mistake would be to think that God demands we obey the commandments in order to save us - a perversion of the gospel that was disputed even in the first century of Christianity and seems to still be going around. What I also know - having been a Roman Catholic - is that Catholicism teaches we must "cooperate" with God's grace by our works in order to remain in a state of grace and merit justification. It does NOT teach justification by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone to the glory of God alone.

So, yes, it's a good thing to be of one accord in our beliefs but it would not be a good thing to compromise our beliefs for the sake of brotherhood. You didn't see the Apostles doing that.

    Now I exhort you, brothers, to consider those causing divisions and obstacles contrary to the teaching that you have learned, and turn away from them. For such do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own belly; and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive. (Romans 16:17,18)

516 posted on 04/24/2018 7:08:38 PM PDT by boatbums (The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation, but washes you upon the Rock of Ages.)
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To: Luircin

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You’re wacked out.

Yehova is working through Michael on a global basis.

The power of the Holy Spirit is evident in his every endeavor, presently in Taiwan, in a big way.

He exposes the cult of the inherited lies, which is what has your panties in a bunch, obviously. That is his major calling, bringing the nicolaitan-free word to the sheep.
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517 posted on 04/24/2018 9:21:34 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Luircin

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You openly resist the clear words of scripture unceasingly.

Even Hort and Westco9tt themselves bragged that they had demolished the diety of Yeshua with their new Greek.

But that doesn’t seem to bother you a bit. You seem to enjoy their departures from the received majority text.

They knew you would; their daddy told them so!
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518 posted on 04/24/2018 9:28:32 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: metmom

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You might as well go to your car dealer with the attitude you have displayed toward the plain scripture.
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519 posted on 04/24/2018 9:30:05 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: metmom; aMorePerfectUnion

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>> “How convenient.” <<

You have no idea at all, do you!

Do you know anything at all about the Ark?

Do you know how many named in the OT died for approaching the Ark without the authority of the HS?

Are you trying to look foolish?

Wyatt was led all over the world by the HS to reveal the treasures and strong evidence Yehova left here to get the attention of arrogant scoffers like you.

The HS guided Wyatt’s every step for decades just for you scoffers.
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520 posted on 04/24/2018 9:37:37 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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