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| 03-14-18
| Msgr. Charles Pope
Posted on 04/21/2018 9:30:28 AM PDT by Salvation
Salvation and Church The teaching of no salvation outside the Church is important and one that must rightly be understood
Msgr. Charles Pope
3/14/2018
Question: I hear the Catholic Church teaches there is no salvation outside the Church. This would seem to condemn most to hell. Or am I missing something? — Name, location withheld
Answer: It is in fact a doctrine of the Church often repeated by the Fathers of the Church and taught formally. However, it must be understood properly.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church has this to say by way of explanation:
“‘Outside the Church there is no Salvation.’ ... Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body: Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church ... is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence, they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it. This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church” (CCC, Nos. 846-847).
This much is sure: Whoever is in heaven was saved by Jesus Christ in and through his Body the Church. But, as we know, there are many barriers to people fully understanding that the Church is the sole and necessary means for salvation, and thus, simply being outside the Church usually does not alone bring condemnation.
God can and, it would seem, does draw others unto himself in ways not always known to us. All of this can console us and bring an understanding that the teaching “outside the Church there is no salvation” is not understood absolutely.
But this consolation must not be the source of letting our missionary zeal wane. While it is possible to be saved beyond the Church, sacraments and explicit faith in Christ, it is much more difficult. Consider the following teaching from the Second Vatican Council:
“Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience. Nor does Divine Providence deny the helps necessary for salvation to those who, without blame on their part, have not yet arrived at an explicit knowledge of God and with His grace strive to live a good life. ... But often men, deceived by the Evil One, have become vain in their reasonings and have exchanged the truth of God for a lie, serving the creature rather than the Creator (cf. Rom 1:21, 25). Or some there are who, living and dying in this world without God, are exposed to final despair. Wherefore to promote the glory of God and procure the salvation of all of these, and mindful of the command of the Lord, ‘Preach the Gospel to every creature’ (Mk 16:16), the Church fosters the missions with care and attention” (Lumen Gentium, No. 16).
And therefore, we see that people often are deceived or let themselves be deceived. So, the fact that people can be saved apart from the Church is not a blank check or presumption that they likely will be saved. It must always be our earnest work to evangelize, for many “prefer the darkness” (see Jn 3:19).
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To: infool7
IF you are such a good Catholic, can you keep the Ten Commandments? IF not, how will time in an imaginary purgatory pay for your violations? Is Christ not the ALL SUFFICIENT sacrifice? Did your jesus pay for only some of your sin debt?
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posted on
04/23/2018 3:43:25 PM PDT
by
MHGinTN
(A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
To: MHGinTN
You consider me a liar. and
"an insulting servant of deceit" If you truly want answers to your questions you will need to find them on your own. You wouldn't believe me anyway.
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posted on
04/23/2018 3:55:05 PM PDT
by
infool7
(Observe, Orient, Pray, Decide, Act!(it's an OOPDA loop))
To: infool7
I personally have never been taught that anyone is saved by works...
False sacramental system = false works.
Grace + required works = works saved.
There is no treasury of merit distributed through the sacraments.
There is no saving grace earned through sacraments.
Do you deny the Roman sacramental System?
To: infool7
To: infool7
Full sentence...
The Church affirms that for believers the sacraments of the New Covenant are necessary for salvation”, although not all are necessary for every individual,[10] and has placed under anathema those who deny it: “If any one saith, that the sacraments of the New Law are not necessary unto salvation, but superfluous; and that, without them, or without the desire thereof, men obtain of God, through faith alone, the grace of justification;-though all (the sacraments) are not indeed necessary for every individual; let him be anathema.”[11]
To: infool7
Not at all. I am simply looking for some common ground that we can all agree on. If we get up to the precepts were doing pretty good wouldn't you say? But, what is the point? We already know that Evangelicals and Roman Catholics agree on many of the major tenets of the Christian faith. I have a good idea that you are also familiar with those where we disagree. Should we not better spend our time discussing those or is that pointless to you?
I personally have never been taught that anyone is saved by works but you have to take my word for it and I have just been called a liar and "an insulting servant of deceit" so you'll have to take that with a grain of salt.
I guess I will have to also take it with a grain of salt that you have "never been taught that anyone is saved by works" since I used to be a Roman Catholic and I know that is not true - but I won't call you a liar (I won't "make it personal).
Answer me this if you will...why do you think when I read John 10:27-30 I knew immediately that I had NOT been told the true gospel growing up as a Roman Catholic? Here is the passage:
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and my Father are one.
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posted on
04/23/2018 4:29:22 PM PDT
by
boatbums
(The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation, but washes you upon the Rock of Ages.)
To: infool7
No ten commandments? Jesus said if we love Him we will keep His commandments.
Question is....what are those.
To: aMorePerfectUnion
Hey ampu
This is starting to feel a bit like an inquisition. I never considered receiving sacraments as a work but instead a gift of Grace from the Holy Spirit.
full disclosure:
I am not now, nor have ever been: a professional apologist, RCIA instructor, member of the clergy or diaconate.
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posted on
04/23/2018 4:30:34 PM PDT
by
infool7
(Observe, Orient, Pray, Decide, Act!(it's an OOPDA loop))
To: infool7
I personally have never been taught that anyone is saved by works but you have to take my word for it and I have just been called a liar and "an insulting servant of deceit" so you'll have to take that with a grain of salt. You've uh....tossed around a few words on this thread as well.
Perhaps you better step down from that soapbox.
To: infool7
I am just responding to your statement that you were never taught about being saved by works.
If you've been taught Rome's official position on the sacraments, which are required for salvation, according to Rome, you were taught salvation by works.
Rome goes on to say if anyone denies this, let him be anathema.
Don't mean to make you feel this is an inquisition. If it were, you'd smell burning flesh (how Rome did it).
To: boatbums
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and my Father are one. That verse in the Greek is so powerful. It rules out the chance of the believer losing their salvation.
To: aMorePerfectUnion
Kinda hard for someone to see the forest if they can’t see the trees.
To: ealgeone
Praise God!
even more common ground.
Jesus said if we love Him we will keep His commandments.
Amen
AMEN!
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posted on
04/23/2018 4:37:00 PM PDT
by
infool7
(Observe, Orient, Pray, Decide, Act!(it's an OOPDA loop))
To: Salvation
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The Word of God teaches that there is no “Church!”
Salvation is yet to come, at the “Last Trump!”
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posted on
04/23/2018 4:39:24 PM PDT
by
editor-surveyor
(Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
To: infool7
Whoa....we need to define commandments.
If you want to say they are the Ten Commandments, Rome doesn't do that based on the list you posted....especially the one in v4-6. We will deal with the idols of Mary later.
1Then God spoke all these words, saying,
2I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.
3You shall have no other gods before Me.
4You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. 5You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6but showing lovingkindness to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
7You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain, for the LORD will not leave him unpunished who takes His name in vain.
8Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10but the seventh day is a sabbath of the LORD your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you. 11For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day and made it holy.
12Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be prolonged in the land which the LORD your God gives you.
13You shall not murder.
14You shall not commit adultery.
15You shall not steal.
16You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
17You shall not covet your neighbors house; you shall not covet your neighbors wife or his male servant or his female servant or his ox or his donkey or anything that belongs to your neighbor.
Exodus 20:1-17 NASB
To: aMorePerfectUnion
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In Matthew 7:21-23, Yeshua taught that only the obedient will be saved.
Matthew 7:
[21] Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
[22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
[23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work lawlessness.
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posted on
04/23/2018 4:48:01 PM PDT
by
editor-surveyor
(Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
To: editor-surveyor
e-s,
Your pre-belief skews your understanding of the Gospel and this passage.
I can’t help you with the pre-belief, since you know I believe it is false.
Best to you.
To: ealgeone
Ok what’s the problem with those?
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posted on
04/23/2018 4:55:34 PM PDT
by
infool7
(Observe, Orient, Pray, Decide, Act!(it's an OOPDA loop))
To: infool7
Don’t be a fool, answer those for your soul, not for me. Your eternity actually hangs in the balance.
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posted on
04/23/2018 4:56:21 PM PDT
by
MHGinTN
(A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
To: aMorePerfectUnion
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It is yo0ur belief that is skewering the Gospel!
Your clinging to the “inherited lies wherein there is no profit” is steeply skewering your hope of understanding the Gospel.
As John wrote in his first epistle, Sin is the transgression of The Law.
“Christianity” as taught in today’s ‘churches’ is the broad path that leads to destruction.
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posted on
04/23/2018 4:58:22 PM PDT
by
editor-surveyor
(Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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