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| 03-14-18
| Msgr. Charles Pope
Posted on 04/21/2018 9:30:28 AM PDT by Salvation
Salvation and Church The teaching of no salvation outside the Church is important and one that must rightly be understood
Msgr. Charles Pope
3/14/2018
Question: I hear the Catholic Church teaches there is no salvation outside the Church. This would seem to condemn most to hell. Or am I missing something? — Name, location withheld
Answer: It is in fact a doctrine of the Church often repeated by the Fathers of the Church and taught formally. However, it must be understood properly.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church has this to say by way of explanation:
“‘Outside the Church there is no Salvation.’ ... Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body: Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church ... is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence, they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it. This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church” (CCC, Nos. 846-847).
This much is sure: Whoever is in heaven was saved by Jesus Christ in and through his Body the Church. But, as we know, there are many barriers to people fully understanding that the Church is the sole and necessary means for salvation, and thus, simply being outside the Church usually does not alone bring condemnation.
God can and, it would seem, does draw others unto himself in ways not always known to us. All of this can console us and bring an understanding that the teaching “outside the Church there is no salvation” is not understood absolutely.
But this consolation must not be the source of letting our missionary zeal wane. While it is possible to be saved beyond the Church, sacraments and explicit faith in Christ, it is much more difficult. Consider the following teaching from the Second Vatican Council:
“Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience. Nor does Divine Providence deny the helps necessary for salvation to those who, without blame on their part, have not yet arrived at an explicit knowledge of God and with His grace strive to live a good life. ... But often men, deceived by the Evil One, have become vain in their reasonings and have exchanged the truth of God for a lie, serving the creature rather than the Creator (cf. Rom 1:21, 25). Or some there are who, living and dying in this world without God, are exposed to final despair. Wherefore to promote the glory of God and procure the salvation of all of these, and mindful of the command of the Lord, ‘Preach the Gospel to every creature’ (Mk 16:16), the Church fosters the missions with care and attention” (Lumen Gentium, No. 16).
And therefore, we see that people often are deceived or let themselves be deceived. So, the fact that people can be saved apart from the Church is not a blank check or presumption that they likely will be saved. It must always be our earnest work to evangelize, for many “prefer the darkness” (see Jn 3:19).
TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History; Theology
KEYWORDS: catholic; salvation; tickytackytrolls
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To: nobamanomore
You guys are the ones that are obsessed with anything that is remotely Catholic. In Internet slang, a troll (/troʊl, trɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting quarrels or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoki Is this really all you've got?? Bump the record player....your needle is stuck.
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To: infool7
Christ doesnt live at the Roman denomination.
He lives in every believer who has entrusted himself to Him alone.
I cant speak for anyone else, but I would never leave Him and salvation to go back to a false system of works and the Roman Hamster Wheel of Guilt.
Kind regards.
To: nobamanomore; metmom
In Internet slang, a troll (/troʊl, trɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting quarrels or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoki Kinda like what you're doing now with this repetitive posting of the same drivel?
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To: ealgeone
You mean Emmaus? Yes.
And it happened that, while he was with them at table, he took bread, said the blessing, broke it, and gave it to them. 31With that their eyes were opened and they recognized him, but he vanished from their sight.
Again an understanding of the times is helpful. Early Christians referred to the Eucharist and Mass as the breaking of bread.
You are still ignoring the Truth as Jesus told us, and many followers did not believe and left.
The Catholic Church teaches that Christs one sacrifice on the cross is what takes away our sins. Thats why we say that the sacrifice of the Mass is the very same sacrifice as that of the cross. If the Mass were not the same as the cross, it could never take away sins.
The substance of the Eucharist is Jesus Christ, and a person must have that substance to be saved. So we receive Jesus and he comes to us physically and spiritually. We pray and thank God for His sacrifices for our sins.
Why wouldn’t you want to receive Jesus as often as you can?
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04/21/2018 7:53:43 PM PDT
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ADSUM
To: ADSUM
So we receive Jesus and he comes to us physically and spiritually.
Not physically. This is a man-made doctrine that came later, as paganism was incorporated into Rome.
To: aMorePerfectUnion
You are gravely mistaken, you have come to believe lies fabricated by men that are as old as the One, True, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church founded by Christ Jesus.
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04/21/2018 7:57:08 PM PDT
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infool7
(Observe, Orient, Pray, Decide, Act!(it's an OOPDA loop))
To: ADSUM
Early Christians referred to the Eucharist and Mass as the breaking of bread.
No. These concepts of the Lords Supper came later, as paganism was incorporated into Romes official religion.
To: infool7
Not mistaken at all about the words of Scripture, nor the development of Romes doctrines in history.
To: aMorePerfectUnion
So you follow a man made religion that is an heretical offshoot of the Catholic Church and don’t believe in all of the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles and you have evidence that Jesus is not physically present in the Eucharist.
Good luck to you on judgement day!
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04/21/2018 8:02:50 PM PDT
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ADSUM
To: Biggirl
Amen.
Jesus says to love thy neighbour as thyself. Am I loving my neighbor if I look out the window and see the wolves running amongst the sheep ripping and tearing and just sit there and say I must love all? Or is it loving thy neighbour to risk my own well being to go out and drive out the wolves? Sometimes loving thy neighbour takes courage, strength and the we to do the right thing.
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04/21/2018 8:07:15 PM PDT
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Bulwyf
To: ADSUM
So you follow a man made religion that is an heretical offshoot of the Catholic Church..
No. I follow A Person, Jesus Christ.
I follow Gods Inspired Scriptures.
I follow the Church He conceived in eternity past.
I am His and I am saved in Him.
Romanism is man-made and bears little resemblance to the teaching of the Apostles. Most of it cant be found in Scripture, since it has pagan origins.
To: ADSUM
The Catholic Church teaches that Christs one sacrifice on the cross is what takes away our sins. Thats why we say that the sacrifice of the Mass is the very same sacrifice as that of the cross. If the Mass were not the same as the cross, it could never take away sins.I thought you guys said it was an unbloody sacrifice...which would not be the same as the Cross which was bloody. Some of your fellow Roman Catholics might disagree with you.
Again an understanding of the times is helpful. Early Christians referred to the Eucharist and Mass as the breaking of bread.
No. Not every meal was considered the Eucharist. Are you sure you know the times as you claim?
You are still ignoring the Truth as Jesus told us, and many followers did not believe and left.
you mean this exchange:
60Therefore many of His disciples, when they heard this said, This is a difficult statement; who can listen to it? 61But Jesus, conscious that His disciples grumbled at this, said to them, Does this cause you to stumble? 62What then if you see the Son of Man ascending to where He was before? 63It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.
64But there are some of you who do not believe. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who it was that would betray Him. 65And He was saying, For this reason I have said to you, that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father.
66As a result of this many of His disciples withdrew and were not walking with Him anymore.[vv64-65 are why some of the disciples withdrew]
67So Jesus said to the twelve, You do not want to go away also, do you?
[Peter nails the answer here...pay close attention to what he says and doesn't say]
68Simon Peter answered Him, Lord, to whom shall we go? You have words of eternal life. 69We have believed and have come to know that You are the Holy One of God.
The substance of the Eucharist is Jesus Christ, and a person must have that substance to be saved. So we receive Jesus and he comes to us physically and spiritually. We pray and thank God for His sacrifices for our sins.
Not what Peter told the Jews at Pentecost.
37Now when they heard this, they were pierced to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, Brethren, what shall we do? 38Peter said to them, Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Acts 2:37-38 NASB
Nor these either....
17And now, brethren, I know that you acted in ignorance, just as your rulers did also. 18But the things which God announced beforehand by the mouth of all the prophets, that His Christ would suffer, He has thus fulfilled. 19Therefore repent and return, so that your sins may be wiped away, in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord; Acts 3:17-19 NASB
Not what Peter told Cornelius.
43Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins. 44While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message. 45All the circumcised believers who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. 46For they were hearing them speaking with tongues and exalting God. Then Peter answered, 47Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he? 48And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay on for a few days. Acts 10:43-48 NASB
Not what Philip told the Ethiopian...
34The eunuch answered Philip and said, Please tell me, of whom does the prophet say this? Of himself or of someone else? 35Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning from this Scripture he preached Jesus to him. 36As they went along the road they came to some water; and the eunuch said, Look! Water! What prevents me from being baptized? 37[And Philip said, If you believe with all your heart, you may. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.] 38And he ordered the chariot to stop; and they both went down into the water, Philip as well as the eunuch, and he baptized him. Acts 8:34-38 NASB
Not one mention of the necessity of eating/drinking His flesh and blood in any of these accounts.
Somehow those men of God did not convey what Roman Catholics say must be conveyed.
I think I'll go with what those guys were preaching....not Rome.
Why wouldnt you want to receive Jesus as often as you can?
Because it's a one time profession of your faith.
Paul noted this.
8But what does it say? THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEARTthat is, the word of faith which we are preaching, 9that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. 11For the Scripture says, WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED. 12For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; 13for WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED. Romans 10:8-13 NASB
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