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Strategies for Returning to the [Catholic] Church
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| 01-11-18
| James Day
Posted on 01/11/2018 6:54:52 PM PST by Salvation
Strategies for Returning to the Church
James Day
Our world is a fallen world. The effects of sin seem to be suffocating us. The diabolical is running rampant, unleashed, playing with immortal souls as if puppets on a string. Pride continues to dominate; repentance for anything is deemed archaic, of little use to todays enlightened thinking.
Certainly this is not the positive language one wants to hear at the outset of a new year, when expectations and resolutions are running high. But all is not really so dire: the diabolical and pervasive sin has not crushed the divine light. My Immaculate Heart will triumph, promises the Lady of Fatima. There is a reason the Church opens a new year honoring the Mother of God: obedience to accepting ones mission in life is the most daunting and exciting prospect we face on this earth. We have a guidebook in how to do it through Marys fiat.
Perhaps over holiday festivities and the euphoria and stress of families coming together, some readers might have encountered resistance from relatives regarding the graces offered in entering the mystery of faith during this holy season. Whether it was avoidance from some in either attending Christmas Mass or praying before a Christmas dinner, such discomforts surely existed. While certainly everyone is different, with their own freedom and right to privacy, perhaps there are some of you readers whose own childrenraised in the Catholic faith you so diligently sought to instill in them want nothing to do with it anymore. It is to this element I wish to address.
In my own experience, generally speaking, I have found degrees of toleration from lapsed or non-Catholics regarding matters of the faith they know the Catholic Church continues to play an enormous part in global affairs while recalling their own experiences either through schooling or parish life. I have found that while the pervading motif of the millennial generation is a general shunning towards organized religion and regular church attendance, there yet remains a desire for an experience of the transcendent. And that desire is the silver lining.
Unfortunately, committed Catholics are not always quite the fearless galvanized evangelizers that each one is called to be. Marveling that St. Francis de Sales converted 40,000 is usually met with a shrug: Well, thats why hes a saint. But thats the precisely the mentality that needs to change.
A Jesuit once posed in a homily, Listen to conversations. How long does it take before God is ever mentioned? Out of not wanting to create controversy, God is never mentioned. When he is, or when the Church is mentioned, Catholics are immediately put on the defensive. We can stay silent, letting the Uber driver, for example, have his say about the occultish practice of Catholics (as I experienced recently), or we can defend Holy Mother Church, as we would defend our own mother, and begin a conversation. The faith is not part of the pie of life. It is the pie.
I have come to believe that, in this era, accommodation will not work. Appeasing the culture may seem like a conciliatory gesture, but those on the opposite side most probably will not respect such compromiseeven if they do not agree with the position in question. In reading Paul Kengors new book, A Pope and a President, on President Reagan and Pope St. John Paul IIs battles against communism, the consistency in the Churchs long running condemnation of communism as far back as Pius IX is impressive. The Church may have apologized for grievous actions throughout its long history, but it has never apologized for being magnificent.
So, how to engage your lapsed love one on returning to the Church? After all, that is our sole dutyto grow into our authentic selves, made in the image of God, and safeguard our immortal souls and those of others towards eternal life. Remembering we can only extend an invitation, a proposal, respecting the freedom of others, here are some strategies:
I: Know Thyself
Be yourself a model of virtue.
Live the Gospel, avoiding hypocrisy, condemnation of others, descent into pettiness. If you consider yourself a Catholic first and desire others to feel that same zeal, your example is the best model. Just like Mary.
Avoid “preaching.”
Respectfully engage in conversation in whatever topic arises. Listen to the other person. Avoid shouting or screaming. Do not let a discussion become an argument or a fight. But know the teachings rather than relying on your own emotions in the heat of the moment.
Pray constantly (1 Thessalonians 5:16).
Read Scripture daily, particularly the Gospels, alone or with family. Have the Catechism handy. Always be reading a spiritual work. Your own edification will inevitably seep into your own worldview. Petition the Trinity for guidance. Ask saints for intercession. Call on the Blessed Mother multiple times a day.
Know your own spiritual story.
What were the integral moments for you in your faith formation? Where did God reveal Himself? Write your own spiritual autobiography in a way that you find creative and inspiring. Know thyself is not just an ancient Greek saying. Its vital to ones own development.
Pray the Mass, as St. Pius X instructs.
Throw your fears and pains onto the altar. Bow your head at the Consecration; respect the Real Presence of Jesus Christ.
II: Extend an Invitation
Know the story of your lapsed child or loved one.
Communication is simply mutual understanding, says Stephen R. Covey. You have to care about who they are, where theyve been, and where they want to go while you are called to evangelize, you cannot treat them as an agenda, a project. In this way, study Ignatian spirituality for insight on the discernment of spirits. You are always an unofficial spiritual director to someone!
Find common ground.
There are many launching points one can meet due to the richness of the Catholic faith. Unfortunately, many lapsed Catholics have a distorted or misinformed view of the faith, just as many in the Protestant and evangelical world have a Reformation-era concept of the papacy. Much time may be spent on clearing the cobwebs on the reality of the Catholic Church today. Yes, corruption and scandal and atrocities have weakened the moral authority of the Church. But there is a difference between human failings and the Church as founded by Christ handed to Saint Peter (Matthew 16:18). That needs to be made clear. (See Joseph Ratzinger, Why I Am Still in the Church.)
Nurture their interests.
For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also (Luke 12:34). Getting to know your loved one authentically and establishing common ground will offer new avenues of appreciation. Are they artists, musicians, poets, writers? Michelangelo, Gaudi, chant, or the great classics of literature offer beautiful immersive experiences in the Catholic worldview.
Pope Francis has been an inspiration for those of any background, through his environment work, Laudato Si, or his call for activism towards migrants, refugees, the disenfranchised.
Connect them with possibly like minded individuals who might continue the conversation, depending on their interests: educators, bioethicists, Father Spitzers Magis Institute on science, faith, and reason. Historical subjects on the veracity of Jesus: the Shroud of Turin, for example (see Ian Wilsons The Shroud, among others).
Give your lapsed child or loved one Matthew Kellys Rediscover Catholicism or a similar book that perhaps impacted you. Rediscover appeals to the mainstream, ringing distant bells they would have remembered growing up Catholic. In many ways, that book is an appetizer to what awaits.
Bottom line: communicate the resources provided by so many apostolatesthere is something for everyone. Many of those actively engaged in the mission of salvation, the mission of the Church, were once lapsed themselves. Just ask St. Augustine, Dorothy Day, or many great evangelizers in our day and age.
Invite your lapsed child or loved one to Confession.
Its a challenging invitation. But youve at least put it out there. At the same time, do not let the graces of Confession become distorted. While one receives absolution, authentic penance comes when ones life is turned around. So often the thought is that a few Hail Marys and Our Fathers is all the Church demands for conciliation. Actually, one must authentically set out determined to begin anew, a new person, transformed. Vinny Flynns 7 Secrets of Confession is a powerful little book for guidance.
Extend an invitation to Mass.
Bring an extra copy of Magnificat or a book with daily readings and give your loved one a copy. Sit up close. And then pray the Mass. Together.
Give your loved one Benedict XVIs Jesus of Nazareth.
Along with the timelessness of the Scriptures themselves, this trilogy is written for people of our time to rediscover Christ. It is some of the most staggering spiritual reading you will encounter.
III: Going Forward
Three very simple, practical steps:
- 1.) Offer help in introducing your loved one to parish resources in their diocese, again contingent on their own discernment of spirits, perhaps even establishing a regular meeting with a spiritual director.
- 2.) In a quiet moment, offer to pray with them, calling specifically on the Holy Family for guidance.
- 3.) Finally, ask them to pray for you.
Happy New Year!
TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History; Theology
KEYWORDS: catholic; evangelization; prayer
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To: FourtySeven
I didn’t *interpret* anything as there’s no need to change the clear meaning of the Greek.
It says what it says and you can deny it all you want but then you’re stuck in the position of denying FACTS.
Petra and Petros are not the same thing.
I don’t doubt that people who deny reality sleep well.
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posted on
01/12/2018 6:11:23 PM PST
by
metmom
( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
To: TallahasseeConservative
Just like the Mob. No thanks. Just like the Muslims, too, and they will also kill you if you try to leave. Roman Catholics used to do that until they lost their claim to temporal power over everyone. A few here have even expressed a desire for the Inquisitions to start up again! I don't recall Jesus ever teaching it was okay to torture people into believing the "right" way.
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posted on
01/12/2018 6:17:28 PM PST
by
boatbums
(The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation, but washes you upon the Rock of Ages.)
To: metmom
“Therefore Catholics are prohibited by Unam Sanctum, from having the option of not being in submission to him.”
Which isn’t an issue.
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posted on
01/12/2018 6:20:15 PM PST
by
vladimir998
(Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
To: metmom
You can get a half dozen definitions from that many authorities but it makes no difference if it was rock,
stone or pebble.
Jesus told Peter he was giving him the keys to the kingdom
do you also deny that?
Gee did Jesus say anything that was the truth?
Yun
I am also what some people would call anti Catholic in the sense that I believe they are preaching religion instead of
truth.
But the Bible has already been translated good enough to
suit me and you seem to be a very bright person, probably
Much brighter than I am but I think I will just take the
Bible for what it says. Thanks
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posted on
01/12/2018 6:23:41 PM PST
by
ravenwolf
(Left lane drivers and tailgaters are the smallest peabrains in the world.)
To: Salvation
**Mary is sinless. From her conception. As determined by the Church.** correct! As determined by God before His Son, Jesus Christ, was made incarnate. Made up out of whole cloth and never taught by an Apostle, nor found in Scripture.
To: Salvation
Sacrament of Penance Made up out of whole (pagan) cloth. Never taught by an Apostle, nor found in Scripture for the Church.
To: FourtySeven
Cephas is Greek? Maybe I am mistaken. Thanks.
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posted on
01/12/2018 7:04:20 PM PST
by
ravenwolf
(Left lane drivers and tailgaters are the smallest peabrains in the world.)
To: ravenwolf
Jesus may very well have been talking about Peters faith being the rock, but he also said he was giving him the key to the kingdom.We can say that Jesus was talking to all of the apostles but proving it is something else,
We wouldn't say it if we couldn't prove it...
Joh 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
ALL the disciples...And there were far more than just the 12...
Act 1:15 And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the disciples, and said, (the number of names together were about an hundred and twenty,)
So how do we know it wasn't just the 12 Apostles there at this event???
Joh 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
Joh 20:24 But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.
All the disciples were assembled but the 12 apostles were acknowledged separately from the disciples...
So here's what Jesus said to Peter...
Mat_16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Jesus didn't hand over the keys at that time, it was for the near future...And obviously binding and loosing were abilities of the person holding the keys...
So in the near future,,,,,,,,,,,,
Mat 18:18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
All right, who was Jesus speaking to here???
Mat 18:1 At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?
The disciples...Jesus was speaking to All the disciples...Whether it was the 12 apostles or all the disciples, the point is every disciple was given the KEYS to the kingdom to be able to bind and loose, NOT just Peter...
So then, was Peter the head honcho, the first pope???
Act 8:14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
Clearly not...THEY sent Peter, and John...They were all equal...
Mat 18:1 At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?
Mat 18:2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,
Mat 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 18:4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
Don't spit your coffee all over your monitor but Catholics call the Catholic religion the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth...And they bow down to and kiss the feet of their pope...They say he is Jesus Christ on Earth...
Now who could believe that and still claim to believe God in the scriptures...Why didn't Jesus tell the disciples that Peter, or the pope was the greatest in the Kingdom???
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posted on
01/12/2018 7:09:18 PM PST
by
Iscool
To: ravenwolf
I have never been in a Catholic church because I have never believed in religion, however Jesus does tell Peter that he shall be called a rock and Up on this rock I will build my Church.In the Greek language which they were speaking, Jesus called Peter 'a little rock, a stone'...And then Jesus said he would build his church on a massive rock, like the rock of Gibraltar...
129
posted on
01/12/2018 7:13:55 PM PST
by
Iscool
To: ADSUM
Did you ever consider that if she rejected Gods messenger, Gabriel, then Christ may not have died on the Cross for your sins and potential salvation?Nonsense...God would have known it ahead of time and picked another girl...Mary did not hold the future of eternity in her hands...That's nuts...
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posted on
01/12/2018 7:18:06 PM PST
by
Iscool
To: Iscool
Ok, so what you are also saying is that it was not Peter who spoke on the day of Pentecost when 3000 were added to the number but all of the apostles and disciples were also speaking.
Oh boy I sure don’t know how the translaters got it mixed up
so bad,sure is a good thing we have people like you to catch
all of the wrong translations and lies.
Just can’t believe anything Jesus said can you?
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posted on
01/12/2018 7:32:03 PM PST
by
ravenwolf
(Left lane drivers and tailgaters are the smallest peabrains in the world.)
To: Iscool
I have not seen the word little rock or massive stone in the scripture, are you sure it really says that? Thanks
132
posted on
01/12/2018 7:40:22 PM PST
by
ravenwolf
(Left lane drivers and tailgaters are the smallest peabrains in the world.)
To: Lurkinanloomin
You know I was thinking about it when Benedict was Pope, but I changed my mind when he was deposed. Well he resigned, but there are other reasons for not being part of the most manifest deformation of the NT church. Which church, as manifested in the only wholly inspired-of-God substantive record of what the New Testament church believed (including their understanding of the gospels) ,
1. Was not based upon the premise of ensured perpetual magisterial infallibility of office as per Rome, which has presumed to infallibly declare that she is and will perpetually be infallible whenever she speaks in accordance with her infallibly defined (scope and subject-based) formula, which renders her declaration that she is infallible, to be infallible, as well as all else she accordingly declares.
2. Never promised or taught ensured perpetual magisterial infallibility was essential for preservation of truth, including writings to be discerned and established as Scripture, and for assurance of faith, and that historical descent as the stewards of Scripture means that such possessed ensured infallibility.
3. Never was a church that manifested the Lord's supper as being the prominent paramount practice as the central means of grace, around which all else revolved, it being the source and summit of the Christian faith in which the work of our redemption is accomplished, by which one received spiritual life in themselves by consuming the real flesh and blood of Christ under the appearance and manifest materialism of non-existent bread and wine, even to the smallest particle (until such begins to decay, at which point Christ also is said to cease to exist under that appearance). Which is in contrast to preaching the word being the primary active function of pastors (see below). And with the Lord's supper, which is only manifestly described once (besides feast of charity in Jude 1:12) in the inspired record of the life of the church, focusing on the church being the body of Christ in showing the Lord sacrificial death by that communal meal.
4. Never had any pastors titled "priests" as denoting a separate sacerdotal class (and (thus translating the distinctive Greek word for such, hiereus, as priest, but which word the Holy Spirit never used for NT clergy, as all believers are called to sacrifice (Rm. 12:1; 15:16; Phil. 2:17; 4:18; Heb. 13:15,16; cf. 9:9) and all constitute the only priesthood hieráteuma in the NT church), whose unique sacrificial function was that of confecting the Eucharist, turning bread and wine into the body and blood of Christ and offering it as a sacrifice for sin, and dispensing it to the people as spiritual food, versus preaching the word being their primary active function, (2Tim. 4:2) eeding the flock thereby (Acts 20:28)
Which alone is said to spiritually nourish souls, (1Tim. 4:6) and which builds them up. (Acts 20:32) with believing the gospel being the means of obtaining life in oneself, by which one is regenerated, (Acts 10:43-47; 15:7-9; Eph. 1:13) and thus desiring the milk (1Pt. 2:2) and then the strong meat (Heb. 5:12-14) of the word of God, thereby being nourished (1Tim. 4:6) by hearing the word of God and letting it dwell in them, (Col. 3:16) by which word (Scriptures) man is to live by, (Mt. 4:4) as Christ lived by the Father, (Jn. 6:57) doing His will being His meat. (Jn. 4:34)
5. Never differentiated between bishops and elders, and with grand titles ("Most Reverend Eminence," Very Reverend, Most Illustrious and Most Reverend Lord, His Eminence Cardinal, The Most Reverend the Archbishop, etc.) or made themselves distinct by their ostentatious pompous garb. (Matthew 23:5-7) Or were all to be formally called father as that would require them to be spiritual fathers to all (Mt. 23:8-10 is a form of hyperbole, reproving the love of titles such as Catholicism examples, and thinking of men above that which is written, and instead the Lord emphasizes the One Father of all who are born of the Spirit, whom He Himself worked to glorify).
6. Never required clerical celibacy as the norm, (1Tim. 3:17) which presumes all such have that gift, (1Cor. 7:7) or otherwise manifested that celibacy was the norm among apostles and pastors, or had vowed to be so. (1Cor. 9:4; Titus 1:5,6)
7. Never taught that Peter was the "rock" of Mt. 16:18 upon which the church is built, interpreting Mt. 16:18, rather than upon the rock of the faith confessed by Peter, thus Christ Himself. (For in contrast to Peter, that the LORD Jesus is the Rock (petra) or "stone" (lithos, and which denotes a large rock in Mk. 16:4) upon which the church is built is one of the most abundantly confirmed doctrines in the Bible (petra: Rm. 9:33; 1Cor. 10:4; 1Pet. 2:8; cf. Lk. 6:48; 1Cor. 3:11; lithos: Mat. 21:42; Mk.12:10-11; Lk. 20:17-18; Act. 4:11; Rm. 9:33; Eph. 2:20; cf. Dt. 32:4, Is. 28:16) including by Peter himself. (1Pt. 2:4-8) Rome's current catechism attempts to have Peter himself as the rock as well, but also affirms: On the rock of this faith confessed by St Peter, Christ build his Church, (pt. 1, sec. 2, cp. 2, para. 424) which understanding some of the so-called church fathers concur with.)
8. Never taught or exampled that all the churches were to look to Peter as the bishop of Rome, as the first of a line of supreme heads reigning over all the churches, and having the last word in questions affecting the whole Church.
9. Never recorded or taught any apostolic successors (like for James: Acts 12:1,2) after Judas who was to maintain the original 12: Rv. 21:14) or elected any apostolic successors by voting, versus casting lots (no politics). (Acts 1:15ff)
10. Never recorded or manifested (not by conjecture) sprinkling or baptism without repentant personal faith, that being the stated requirement for baptism. (Acts 2:38; 8:36-38)
11. Never preached a gospel of salvation which begins with becoming good enough inside (formally justified due to infused interior charity), via sprinkling (RC "baptism") in recognition of proxy faith, and which thus usually ends with becoming good enough again to enter Heaven via suffering in purgatory, commencing at death.
12. Never supported or made laws that restricted personal reading of Scripture by laity (contrary to Chrysostom), if able and available, sometimes even outlawing it when it was.
13. Never used the sword of men to deal with its theological dissenters.
14. Never taught that the deity Muslims worship (who is not as an "unknown god") is the same as theirs.
15. Never had a separate class of believers called saints.
16. Never prayed to anyone in Heaven but the Lord, or were instructed to (i.e. "our Mother who art in Heaven") who were able to hear and respond to virtually unlimited prayers addressed to them (a uniquely Divine attribute in Scripture).
17. Never recorded a women who never sinned, and was a perpetual virgin despite being married (contrary to the normal description of marriage, as in leaving and sexually cleaving) and who would be bodily assumed to Heaven and exalted (officially or with implicit sanction) such as,
*being a sinless perpetual virgin, who "had to suffer, as He did, all the consequences of sins," [De Maria Nun quam Satis] "in exact duplication," [Mary of Agreda] and was bodily resurrected and crowned as an omnipotent (by God's grace) Queen of Heaven, whose command all obey, even God [Alphonsus Liguori], as "the greatness of the power which she wields over one who is God cannot be conceived," with angels "begging her as a favour to honour them with one of her requests," [Montfort] ...and the dispenser of all graces, with there being "no grace which Mary cannot dispose of as her own," [Manteau-Bonamy] that "through her are obtained every hope, every grace, and all salvation...we obtain everything through Mary," [Pope Pius IX] with "all the treasures of the mercy of God" being in her hands, [St. Peter Damian] without whom the Holy Spirit does not act, and who is actually like unto Him "when she acts, it is also He who acts; and that if her intervention be not accepted, neither is His," who is the "Mother of her Creator," [Cardinal Newman] who is is a debtor to her, [St. Methodius] and who "could not be more closely united to God without becoming God," who alone is solicitous for us in Heaven, [Liguori] thus sometimes salvation is quicker if we remember Mary's name then if we invoked the name of the Lord Jesus" [Eadmer] "therefore we have recourse, to thee alone" [Liguori].
Sources, and more correction by God's grace.
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posted on
01/12/2018 7:41:56 PM PST
by
daniel1212
(Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
To: Salvation; redleghunter; Springfield Reformer; kinsman redeemer; BlueDragon; metmom; boatbums; ...
Your own edification will inevitably seep into your own worldview. ...Ask saints for intercession. Call on the Blessed Mother multiple times a day. All in the interest of converting souls to the self-proclaimed "apostolic church" but which (that of Scripture) never manifested these common Catholic distinctives.
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posted on
01/12/2018 7:46:47 PM PST
by
daniel1212
(Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
To: metmom; aMorePerfectUnion
I dont doubt that people who deny reality sleep well. People who deny reality, dont sleep well in eternity. In fact, my opinion is, they will no rest day and night, forever. You and your ilk 😆😀 can keep teaching reality. If people want to deny it, thats on them. BTW, one more week, till I go see Amir Tsarfati. I am sure he will have some interesting things to say. 👍
135
posted on
01/12/2018 7:48:01 PM PST
by
Mark17
(Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
To: Mark17
To: ravenwolf; aMorePerfectUnion; ealgeone
Raven. These two guys read and translate Greek. Ask them about the Greek. I have an advantage too. My neighbor, here in the Philippines, was born and raised in Greece. Greek, obviously, is his first language. I did not ask him about the rock thing, but I have shown him parallel Greek/English Bible verses. He looks at both, and screws up his face, and says, if he were going to translate the Greek to English, he would do it exactly the same way its been done in KJV, since that is the translation I had.
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posted on
01/12/2018 7:58:47 PM PST
by
Mark17
(Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
To: ravenwolf
Ok, so what you are also saying is that it was not Peter who spoke on the day of Pentecost when 3000 were added to the number but all of the apostles and disciples were also speaking. Act 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
Act 2:2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
Act 2:3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
Act 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
I did not tell you Peter didn't speak at Pentecost...The conversation wasn't even about Pentecost...What's wrong with you???
But you can clearly see ALL of the apostles were given the Holy Spirit and they all spoke, under the influence of the Holy Spirit...
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posted on
01/12/2018 7:59:09 PM PST
by
Iscool
To: Mark17; aMorePerfectUnion; metmom
What I’m wondering is about the obsession with Protestants instead of trying to bring salvation to people who reject Jesus entirely.
I still remember other threads where it was only the non-Catholics who were engaging the Christ-deniers on the threads...
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posted on
01/12/2018 8:03:19 PM PST
by
Luircin
To: ravenwolf
I have not seen the word little rock or massive stone in the scripture, are you sure it really says that? ThanksI suspect there's a LOT of things you've never seen in the scriptures...
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posted on
01/12/2018 8:04:43 PM PST
by
Iscool
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