Posted on 12/07/2017 5:16:35 PM PST by marshmallow
Pope Francis has called on the Roman Catholic Church to alter the Lord’s Prayer because he believes the current translation suggests God is capable of leading us “into temptation”.
Instead, “Our father”, which is the best known prayer in Christianity, should be said using the phrasing adopted by French bishops, which reads as “do not let us enter into temptation”.
The alternative wording used in France implies that it is through human fault that people are led to sin, rather than by God.
The pontiff made the suggestion during a televised interview on Wednesday evening, in which he claimed that the traditional phrasing was “not a good translation”.
“I am the one who falls. It’s not him pushing me into temptation to then see how I have fallen,” he continued. “A father doesn’t do that, a father helps you to get up immediately. It’s Satan who leads us into temptation, that’s his department.”
(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...
Vlad’s Rules of Internet Debate #1….always use ad hominem attacks.
Vlad's Rules of Debate #2....have a massive ego and approach others with a condescending attitude …see his tagline (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty).
Vlad's Rules of Internet Debate #3...it means what he wants it to mean.
Vlad’s Rules of Internet Debate #4...dwell in the minors trying to make a point.
Vlad's Rules of Internet Debate #5...omit what others have posted or twist it in an attempt to show them wrong.
There are more but these will get you started.
Check out the history of the Church. Right from the beginning there were heresies like Arianism, which was supported by most of the bishops. It claimed that Jesus is not God. St Nickolas himself punched Arius at the council of Nicea. Fortunately the Arians were denied. This too shall pass because Jesus said, “ You are Peter and on this rock I will build My Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.”
When in defeat, eagleone posts a list of things he made up.
That’s the best he can do.
eagleone, I went to a wonderful Advent retreat this morning. Dozens and dozens of former Protestants who became Catholics and found Jesus in the Eucharist offering testimony in words and actions with several hundred of us in attendance altogether! It was awesome. Whatever anti-Catholic attacks you post today, will just seem all the more pathetic than usual.
I hope you have a blessed Advent!
(Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty).
“Vlad’s Rules of Internet Debate #8…feign being offended...”
Where did I say I was offended? So where did I show I was feigning being offended? I was neither offended nor feigning being offended. I think when you post that list it just makes you look small. After all it shows you can’t actually argue an issue. All you can do is make up a false list. That’s the best you can do.
“and this is the guy who has in his nametag...(Apparently I’m still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn’t empty).”
And the fact that you keep mentioning that tagline means it was right. The sad part is you don’t realize that.
Vlad’s Rules of Debate #2....have a massive ego and approach others with a condescending attitude …see his tagline (Apparently I’m still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn’t empty).
“Vlad’s Rules of Debate #2....have a massive ego and approach others with a condescending attitude …see his tagline (Apparently I’m still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn’t empty).”
And the fact that you keep mentioning that tagline means it was right. The sad part is you don’t seem to realize that.
“The mere fact you have it in your tagline proves my point. I know it’s beyond you.”
The mere fact that you seemed obsessed with it even before you made up your list proves my point and is exactly why I have that tagline.
Oh, and it was obvious you would fail to show where I was “feigning” being offended. This is how it always goes. You make a claim. I ask you to show evidence. You fall flat on your face and change topics.
Enjoy the tagline, eagleone.
Vlad's Rules of Internet Debate #3...it means what he wants it to mean.
Hey!
Rome’s had about 2000 years to translate it ‘right’.
Perhaps Mary forgot to tell some children somewhere all about it.
Of COURSE He is!
Didn't GOD create EVERYTHING?
Doesn't Satan exist?
Therefore...
Genesis 2:16-17
And the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die."
Romans 7:7
What then shall we say? Is the Law sin? By no means! Indeed, I would not have been mindful of sin if not for the Law. For I would not have been aware of coveting if the Law had not said, “Do not covet.”
Pray for those in authority.
Some folks seem to have a problem with how this is translated; TOO!
Yes...you continue to repeat yourself. However you haven’t always used that tagline.
Think again.
1 Corinthians 6:9-11
9. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived:
Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10. nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
If you could NOT change, you would be in most pitiful shape...
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Careful LC, you’re on the edge of preaching Yehova’s loving Torah. (our path to righteousness)
He could have just sent all of us into perdition. He didn’t have to tell us how to be righteous.
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The are judgmental; gossipy, and lack a proper prayer life.
I can hear them now; on the other side of the Red Sea...
Look at that Moses fella; our 'leader'!!
He kills people; disobeys GOD...
Leads us out into the desert when we had it SO much better at home...
Nuttin' but this same ol' manna; day in and day out. Hey! How many would like some fresh; roast quail?
Now the old coot can't even hold his arms up!
Where's Aaron when we need him??
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