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Protestantism, Modernism, Atheism
Crisis Magazine ^
| November 28, 2017
| Julia Meloni
Posted on 11/28/2017 12:09:34 PM PST by ebb tide
The reality of the apostasy of faith in our time rightly and profoundly frightens us, said Cardinal Burke in honor of Fatimas centenary.
In 1903, Pope St. Pius X declared himself terrified by humanitys self-destructive apostasy from God: For behold they that go far from Thee shall perish (Ps. 72:27). How much more daunting, said Cardinal Burke, is todays widespread apostasy.
In 1910, St. Pius X condemned the movement for a One-World Church without dogmas, hierarchy, or curb for the passionsa church which, under the pretext of freedom, would impose legalized cunning and force. How much more, said Cardinal Burke, do todays movements for a single government of the world and certain movements with the Church herself disregard sin and salvation?
In Pascendi, St. Pius X named the trajectory toward the annihilation of all religion: The first step
was taken by Protestantism; the second
by [the heresy of] Modernism; the next will plunge headlong into atheism.
So let us, said Cardinal Burke, heed Fatimas call for prayer, penance, and reparation. Let us be agents of the triumph of Marys Immaculate Heart.
A few weeks after that speech, the Vatican announced its shining tribute to the Protestant revolution: a golden stamp with Luther and Melanchthon at the foot of the cross, triumphantly supplanting the Blessed Virgin and St. John.
Bishop Athanasius Schneider has asked how the Vatican can call Luther a witness to the gospel when he called the Mass
a blasphemy and the papacy an invention of Satan. The signatories of the filial correction have expressed wonderment and sorrow at a statue of Luther in the Vaticanand documented the affinity between Luthers ideas on law, justification, and marriage and Pope Franciss statements.
At a 2016 joint commemoration of the Protestant revolution, Pope Francis expressed joy for its myriad gifts. He and pro-abortion Lutherans with female clergy jointly declared that what unites us is greater than what divides us. Together they raise[d] their voices against violence. They prayed for the conversion of those who exploit the earth. They declared the goal of receiving the Eucharist at one table to express their full unity.
In Martin Luther: An Ecumenical Perspective, Cardinal Kasper confirms that the excommunicated, apostate monk is now a common church father, a new St. Francis of Assisi. This prophet of the new evangelization was forced into calling the pope the Antichrist after his call for repentance was not heard. But Kasper finds ecumenical hope in Luthers statement that he would
kiss the feet of a pope who allows and acknowledges his gospel.
Kasper says Pope Franciss Evangelii Gaudium, without mentioning him by name, makes Luthers concerns stand in the center.
So its Luthers gospel of grace and mercy behind, apparently, the high disdain for self-absorbed promethean neopelagianis[ts] plagued by a soundness of doctrine thats narcissistic and authoritarian (EG 94).
So its Lutherthe bizarre protagonist of ecumenical unitybehind the demand for a conversion of the papacy that gives genuine doctrinal authority to episcopal conferences (EG 32). Sandro Magister says the pope is already creating a federation of national Churches endowed with extensive autonomy through liturgical decentralization.
So its Luther behind the demand to accept the unruly freedom of the word, which accomplishes what it wills in ways that surpass our
ways of thinking (EG 22). Kasper says Luthers faith in the self-implementation of the word of God gave him a heroic openness to the future.
Ultimately, Kaspers Luthera prophet of openness to futurity, a Catholic reformer waiting for a sympathetic popeemerges as a symbolic father for Modernisms struggle to change the Church from within. Modernism falsely claims that God evolves with historymaking truth utterly mutable. So Kasper the Modernist says dogmas can be stupid and Church structures can spring from ideology and denying the Eucharist to adulterers because of one phrase from Christ is ideological, too.
Kasper baldly calls the changeless God an offense to man:
One must deny him for mans sake, because he claims for himself the dignity and honor that belong by right to man
.
We must resist this God
also for Gods sake. He is not the true God at all, but rather a wretched idol. For a God
who is not himself history is a finite God. If we call such a being God, then for the sake of the Absolute we must become absolute atheists. Such a God springs from a rigid worldview; he is the guarantor of the status quo and the enemy of the new.
A shocking ultimatum from the man hailed as the popes theologian: either embrace a mutable God whos not an enemy of the newor profess absolute, unflinching, hardcore atheism.
Kasper says the Church must be led by a spirit that is not primarily the third divine person. That ominous spirit, says Thomas Stark, is apparently some Hegelian agent of creations self-perfection. Pope Francis, against all the sourpusses (EG 85), describes our final cause as the utopian future (EG 222). Because God wants us to be happy in this world, its no longer possible to claim that religion
exists only to prepare souls for heaven (EG 182).
But Christ said, In the world you shall have distress (Jn. 16:33). The 1907 dystopian novel The Lord of the World hauntingly imagines the travails of historys last days, when humanity has heeded Kaspers call to resist God with absolute atheism if necessary. By this point, Protestantism is dead, for men recognize at last that a supernatural religion involves an absolute authority. Those with any supernatural belief left are Catholicpersecuted by a world professing no God but man, no priest but the politician.
More and more clergy apostatize. Man has learned his own divinity. Yet Fr. Percy Franklin still adores the Eucharistic Lord, still believes that the reconciling of a soul to God is greater than the reconciling of nations. He secretly hears a dying womans confession before the real prieststhe euthanizerscome.
Her daughter-in-law, Mabel, scoffs that the new atheism has perfected Catholicism:
Do you not understand that all which Jesus Christ promised has come true, though in another way? The reign of God has really begun; but we know now who God is. You said just now you wanted the forgiveness of Sins; well, you have that; we all have it, because there is no such thing as sin. There is only Crime.
And then Communion. You used to believe that that made you a partaker of God; well, we are all partakers of God, because we are all human beings.
Mabel and the rapt multitudes ritually worship Man. God was a hideous nightmare. Their spirits swoon before a politician promising the universal brotherhood of man.
That savior of the world is the Antichrist. All must deny God or die.
For history, like the novel itself, ends not with rapturous utopia but with tribulation, apostasy, martyrdoms, and Gods triumph over the revolt of evil [in] the form of the Last Judgment (CCC 677). In the throes of his own tribulation, Fr. Franklin calls us to cling to the faith and those refuges of old:
The mass, prayer, the rosary. These first and last. The world denies their power: it is on their power that Christians must throw all their weight.
TOPICS: Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: francischurch; oneworldchurch
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To: Iscool
Your own definition says "(by implication) a reconciler (intercessor)".
Praying to God not to hold someone's sin against them *IS* intercessory prayer.
And that does not mean that Stephen (or anyone intereceding) is taking the place of Jesus, but rather, (as it were) acting as His agent, or in accord with His will. ("For we know that if we ask anything according to His Will, He hears us." / "It is the will of God that none should perish, but all come to repentance.")
Sheesh.
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posted on
12/02/2017 9:54:57 AM PST
by
grey_whiskers
(The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
To: metmom
Your accusation, tho' noble in your own mind, is factually incorrect.
Asking others to pray for you (even those who are (as far as we know) already in Heaven) is not trusting in them for Salvation.
642
posted on
12/02/2017 9:59:08 AM PST
by
grey_whiskers
(The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
To: metmom
We have been given the ministry of reconciliation, but we cannot mediate on anyone's behalf as we are not qualified like Jesus is. Sounds like Revelation 5, especially verses 5 and 9...
643
posted on
12/02/2017 10:06:13 AM PST
by
grey_whiskers
(The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
To: metmom
Almost off topic, but I can’t resist pointing something out.
Jews were used to receiving teachings from their forefathers. Abraham was an evangelist, but there was no written text of his teaching until Moses.
Moses spent several periods of 40 days and 40 nights in supernatural communion with God. The Children of Israel camped in a comparatively small territory for 40 years with much provided for them. Moses taught them some of what he had learned from being with God. Who thinks all that time was spent on the Ten Commandments?
For Jews, the Teachings came first and then the Writings, so Judaism still follows that historical practice. That’s what makes it a separate religion, not just Christianity without the Messiah.
Academically, it might be said that the book is the notes from lectures, not the lectures themselves. Being absent explicitly in the book says nothing about presence in the lectures.
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posted on
12/02/2017 10:08:44 AM PST
by
jjotto
("Ya could look it up!")
To: ealgeone
“Roman Catholics both worship and serve Mary by their actions. “
And there we go back to eagleone’s falsehood which he continues to pushes like a “Big Lie” of old. He has no actual proof for his claim, but he’ll keep saying it because regard for the truth or facts simply doesn’t enter into his agenda apparently.
645
posted on
12/02/2017 10:27:26 AM PST
by
vladimir998
(Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
To: MHGinTN
“You mock the Lord Christ.”
Nope.
“When you add anything to the Gospel of Grace, you mock Jesus.”
Since I believe we are saved by grace alone, what you just claimed is a logical impossibility.
“Go put some ice on your wounded ego, Laddy Vladdi.”
It’s not wounded. But apparently yours is.
646
posted on
12/02/2017 10:29:22 AM PST
by
vladimir998
(Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
To: grey_whiskers; metmom; daniel1212
Asking others to pray for you (even those who are (as far as we know) already in Heaven) is not trusting in them for Salvation. Yet that is what Roman Catholic writers have espoused over the years.
O immaculate Virgin, we are under thy protection, and therefore we have recourse, to thee alone, and we beseech thee to prevent thy beloved Son, who is irritated by our sins, from abandoning us to the power of the devil... Thou (Mary) art my only hope. . . . Lady in heaven, we have but one advocate, and that is thyself, and thou alone art truly loving and solicitous for our salvation ... My Queen and my Advocate with thy Son, whom I dare not approach. Alphonsus de Liguori, The Glories of Mary, Burns and Oates, Ld., 1868, pp. 115, 249
And where can we find an advocate who is more earnest in the affair of our salvation, or who loves us more than Mary? "We acknowledge," says Saint Augustine of her, "that one alone is solicitous for us in Heaven. "...in order that our Lord may pardon us our sins, help us with His grace, free us from dangers, and relieve us in our wants, says, addressing in the words of an ancient writer: 'We know that we have as it were but one solicitous in Heaven for us, and thou art this one, so greatly does thy solicitude for us exceed that of all the Saints.'" - Liguori, Saint Alfonso Maria De'. (2013). pp. 181-2. The Glories of Mary. London: Forgotten Books. http://www.forgottenbooks.com/readbook_text/The_Glories_of_Mary_1000665057/181"
The foundation of all our confidence. . . is found in the Blessed Virgin Mary. For God has committed to Mary the treasury of all good things, in order that everyone may know that through her are obtained every hope, every grace, and all salvation. For this is his will, that we obtain everything through Mary." Pope Pius IX in the encyclical Ubi Primum
.."she is Mother of her Creator...through Whom the Holy Trinity is sanctified." "...she mediates between God and men." "Run through all creation in your thought and see if there be one equal or superior to the Holy Virgin, Mother of God." (Newman, from "Letter to the Rev. E. B. Pusey" contained in Newman's "Difficulties of Anglicans" Volume II);
Source for the above quotes:
http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/MarySC.html#Prefacehttp://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/newman-mary.asp
And there's more on this issue...but this give us a flavor for the sentiments of Roman Catholicism on this issue.
To: vladimir998; metmom; aMorePerfectUnion
And there we go back to eagleones falsehood which he continues to pushes like a Big Lie of old. He has no actual proof for his claim, but hell keep saying it because regard for the truth or facts simply doesnt enter into his agenda apparently.Vlad's Rules of Internet Debate #6
He will ignore his errors when pointed out to him and dismiss them...even when confronted with them.
I notice you would not affirm throwing out your "statues" of Mary, nor cease praying TO her, etc.
Keep living in the denial of Roman Catholic idolatry.
To: MHGinTN
Go put some ice on your wounded ego, Laddy Vladdi.
Any relation to this person I wonder?
"Lady Gaga".
To: ealgeone
To: metmom
“No, thats the level of dismissal of your excuses.”
I made no excuses at all. Remember, you - not apparently knowing how to make a logical argument - tried to use a false analogy about the Roman Rite and Eastern Orthodox. I demonstrated why it was a false analogy. None of that is an excuse. It’s just your false analogy.
“The RCC and EO have been at odds over significant positions of doctrine for centuries.”
Duh! But it was still a false analogy you used. They are not Protestants, cannot be lumped together as Protestants, do not claim sola scriptura and are not sects founded only 500 or fewer years ago. That’s why your analogy failed. I agreed from the start that there are differences. But those differences do not serve as a proper analogy and cannot do so when compared with Protestantism. That’s the point.
“Tell us, oh knowledgeable one, which one is the TRUE form of Catholicism.”
Catholicism is the true form of Catholicism. Which form of Protestantism is the true form of Protestantism? You can’t say “Protestantism is” because you disagree with Lutherans or Presbyterians or Congregationalists or Evangelicals or Baptists or the Church of Christ or Mennonites or the Amish or the Quakers or the Shakers or the Methodists or the Anglicans or the Calvinists or the Pentecostals or the Seventh Day Adventists or the Swedenborgians or the Christian Scientists or the Plymouth Brethren or the Apostles of Johane Maranke or the Church of the Nazarene or the Salvation Army or the Ephrata Cloister (no, actually they’re all dead!) or the Pilgrim Holiness Church or IHOP (no, not the pancake house, the International House of Prayer).
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posted on
12/02/2017 10:43:58 AM PST
by
vladimir998
(Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
To: vladimir998; metmom
Vlads Rules of Internet Debate #9
.at some point it becomes useless to argue due to the above rules
time to move on.
I think we're there....maybe been there a while.
To: ealgeone
I made no errors - and that’s exactly why you don’t even point to any. You’re doing what you so often do. When you cannot win an argument you make false claims of Mary worship and post pictures.
I should create a list of “eagleone’s Rules of Internet Falsehood” or some such thing because you are entirely predictable. Even the multipinging out of desperation. Always predictable.
And the proof is easily found: You never read post #430. An honest man would simply admit it. I don’t think we’ll get an admission from you.
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posted on
12/02/2017 10:48:19 AM PST
by
vladimir998
(Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
To: ealgeone
O immaculate Virgin, we are under thy protection, and therefore we have recourse, to thee alone, and we beseech thee to prevent thy beloved Son, who is irritated by our sins, from abandoning us to the power of the devil.. Jesus *irritated* by our sins?!?!
And because of that he's going to abandon us to the devil?
What BLASPHEMY!!!!!!!!!!!
Matthew 11:28-30 Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
Romans 5:8 but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
Hebrews 13:5 Keep your life free from love of money, and be content with what you have, for he has said, I will never leave you nor forsake you.
654
posted on
12/02/2017 10:49:12 AM PST
by
metmom
( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
To: ealgeone
“...time to move on.
I think we’re there....maybe been there a while.”
As I just said, you always resort to false accusations of Marian worship when you can’t win an argument. And you’re proving me right by now talking about moving on. Of course you have to leave the thread...
Post #430.
655
posted on
12/02/2017 10:50:46 AM PST
by
vladimir998
(Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
To: vladimir998
If it weren’t for double standards, you’d have none at all.
Besides, religion does not save.
Jesus saves.
Anyone who is depending on religion or denominational affiliation to bet them to heaven is in for a HUGE surprise.
656
posted on
12/02/2017 10:52:01 AM PST
by
metmom
( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
To: vladimir998; metmom; aMorePerfectUnion; boatbums
should create a list of eagleones Rules of Internet Falsehood or some such thing because you are entirely predictable. Even the multipinging out of desperation. Always predictable.
Vlads Rules of Internet Debate #7
He will attempt to copy these rules in some form or fashion.
Way ahead of you.
Difference between us....I have friends I can ping.
To: vladimir998
You’re mind reading again and trying to change the discussion away from your idolatry. I must be hitting home for you to resort to this tactic.
To: metmom
“If it werent for double standards, youd have none at all.”
Neither Catholics nor Eastern Orthodox are Protestants. That’s not a double standard. That’s simply the truth. The fact that you have to stoop to calling such an irrefutable fact a double standard shows your failure.
“Besides, religion does not save. Jesus saves.”
He uses His grace to save us and His love is the reason for that grace. Keep in mind that St. Peter said that Baptism saves. He meant the grace of Baptism - something you would deny. If anyone has a double-standard it is you, for you claim sola scriptura but would deny St. Peter says.
“Anyone who is depending on religion or denominational affiliation to bet them to heaven is in for a HUGE surprise.”
They sure will. At the same time, anyone who attacks Christ’s Church - as you do day in and day out - will also be in for a surprise. Christ sent the Catholic Church into the world to bring the grace of His sacrifice on Calvary to men for their salvation. Anti-Catholicism was not sent by God and certainly saves no one, but you have wholeheartedly embraced it nonetheless.
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posted on
12/02/2017 11:00:45 AM PST
by
vladimir998
(Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
To: ealgeone
You still won’t admit to not having read post #430. That’s okay. It would take an honest person to do so.
“Youre mind reading again and trying to change the discussion away from your idolatry.”
Nope. There is no idolatry to discuss. You have failed to offer any actual proof of it - and no the pictures don’t show idolatry because no one in them is worshiping an idol.
“I must be hitting home for you to resort to this tactic.”
Oh, that’s hilarious. You’ve resort to your almost perennial endgame tactic of posting photos of what you falsely call Marian worship and you think you’re “hitting home”? Oh, the projection there is monumental.
And look you’re calling on your friends for help. Desperation again. Always predictable.
“Vlads Rules of Internet Debate #7
He will attempt to copy these rules in some form or fashion. Way ahead of you.”
No, actually you’re way behind. I compiled such lists years ago in dealing with other anti-Catholics because they are so utterly predictable.
“Difference between us....I have friends I can ping.”
No, the difference is that I don’t rely on the internet for friends. I have them in real life instead. All you have is a ping list to fellow anti-Catholics who are as hapless and helpless as you are in debate.
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posted on
12/02/2017 11:09:18 AM PST
by
vladimir998
(Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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