Posted on 11/27/2017 8:37:19 AM PST by Salvation
Yes; that’s ol’ ET at some of his(?) best stuff!
You are entitled to follow your beliefs and question the Catholic Church and follow a man made religion that rejects some of the teachings of Jesus.
I am an active member of the Catholic Church with the Mass and the Sacraments that were established by Jesus Christ and were delegated to the Catholic church by Jesus who promised to be with the Church until the end. At the Mass, the priest representing Jesus consecrates the bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ. As Catholics, we personally receive Jesus in the Eucharist and we can be with Him and worship Him at a Catholic Church in the Tabernacle or in the Monstrance. We have Faith in Jesus and His Catholic Church. All are welcome, especially the poor and sinners.
Perhaps if you can put aside your biases and look for the Truth, you may be able to answer your own issues.
There are many that have not accepted all of the teachings of Jesus and formed or joined a separate religion and doctrines. While many may have good intentions, are good people and are trying to worship God, they are still rejecting some of the teachings of Jesus. They claim that they have Faith in Jesus, but if they reject some of the teachings of Jesus, do they really have True Faith?
I realize that many have left the Catholic Church and dispute many things about our church and its members. I believe that the Catholic Church is the one holy catholic and apostolic Church established by Jesus Christ. The Catholic church is strong throughout the world.
God’s Peace be with you.
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John 3:14-18 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in him may have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
Is not condemned.
Has passed from death to life.
I believe Jesus.
In those verses, Jesus is talking about the PRESENT spiritual condition of the believer, not the future when you find out how well you did. (so some people think)
No, that's what Michael Rood says.
What Scripture says is this:
Galatians 3:1-29 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? Did you suffer so many things in vainif indeed it was in vain? Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith just as Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness?
Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, In you shall all the nations be blessed. So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.
For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them. Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for The righteous shall live by faith. But the law is not of faith, rather The one who does them shall live by them. Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for usfor it is written, Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.
To give a human example, brothers: even with a man-made covenant, no one annuls it or adds to it once it has been ratified. Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, And to offsprings, referring to many, but referring to one, And to your offspring, who is Christ. This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void. For if the inheritance comes by the law, it no longer comes by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise.
Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary. Now an intermediary implies more than one, but God is one.
Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law. But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.
You are entitled to follow your beliefs and defend the Catholic Church and follow a substantially man made religion that rejects and adds to some of the teachings of Jesus. See how easy making assertions are? The difference is I can substantiate it, and have refuted Catholic attempts to defend her, by the grace of God.
I am an active member of the Catholic Church with the Mass and the Sacraments that were established by Jesus Christ and were delegated to the Catholic church by Jesus who promised to be with the Church until the end. At the Mass, the priest representing Jesus consecrates the bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ. As Catholics, we personally receive Jesus in the Eucharist and we can be with Him and worship Him at a Catholic Church in the Tabernacle or in the Monstrance. We have Faith in Jesus and His Catholic Church. All are welcome, especially the poor and sinners.
Which is simply repeating a mantra, which may be comforting to your, but is just parroted propaganda in lieu of a polemic.
Perhaps if you can put aside your biases and look for the Truth, you may be able to answer your own issues.
Which recourse to false ad hominem mind reading further testifies to your lack of any prevailing polemic.
There are many that have not accepted all of the teachings of Jesus and formed or joined a separate religion and doctrines. While many may have good intentions, are good people and are trying to worship God, they are still rejecting some of the teachings of Jesus. They claim that they have Faith in Jesus, but if they reject some of the teachings of Jesus, do they really have True Faith?
There are many that have not accepted all of the teachings of Jesus or added to them, and formed a religion with distinctive doctrines not seen in the inspired record of what the NT church believe d. . While many may have good intentions, are good people and are trying to worship God, they are still rejecting and adding some of the teachings of Jesus, which do not stop with the gospels. They claim that they have Faith in Jesus, but if they reject or add to some of the teachings of Jesus, do they really have True Faith?
Again, it is easy to turn your words back on you, but which I can and have substantiated.
I realize that many have left the Catholic Church and dispute many things about our church and its members. I believe that the Catholic Church is the one holy catholic and apostolic Church established by Jesus Christ. The Catholic church is strong throughout the world.
Which continued recourse to bare mantric self-hypnosis testifies to the cultic nature of the very thing you profess in response to what reproves it.
Sorry to be so hard, but its like responding to a robot.
That what the doctrine of inherited lies says, but it is not what the word of Yehova says.
Dude, youre in a cult, run by a cultist who thinks hes a rabbi.
You have no credibility with the Scriptures.
I feel for you, but its your call bro
A nice list of assertions without evidence.
False ones though.
Again, what are your credentials that constitute a valid and respectable authority to make such absurd assumptions?
Anyone can pick parts of Scripture and stich them together to assemble a false gospel that supports faulty premises that ratify their own personal beliefs and actions but to tout them as reasonable or valid to others on a public forum, shameful.
I’m right because I say I’m right.
Infinate loop: see continuous loop
Continuous loop: see infinite loop
It’s a broken record for itching ears.
Again, what are your credentials that constitute a valid and respectable authority to make such absurd assumptions?
Amazingly, the Bereans didnt ask that question. They thought for themselves by examining Gods Word.
But of course there are two kinds of people and two responses mentioned...
Now these Jews were more noble than those in Thessalonica; they received the word with all eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so. Many of them therefore believed, with not a few Greek women of high standing as well as men.
But when the Jews from Thessalonica learned that the word of God was proclaimed by Paul at Berea also, they came there too, agitating and stirring up the crowds.
You need a better question FRamigo...
Jesus never established the mass. There is nothing that He did that even remotely resembles what the mass is today.
Matthew 23:1-12 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat, so do and observe whatever they tell you, but not the works they do. For they preach, but do not practice.
They tie up heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on people's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to move them with their finger. They do all their deeds to be seen by others. For they make their phylacteries broad and their fringes long, and they love the place of honor at feasts and the best seats in the synagogues and greetings in the marketplaces and being called rabbi by others.
But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brothers. And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. Neither be called instructors, for you have one instructor, the Christ. The greatest among you shall be your servant. Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
What this has to with the Bereans is quite inconsequential. My own examination of scripture has lead me personally to agree with the Gospel as presented to me by the One, True, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church founded by Christ Jesus, the tenants of which I have found to be reliable and trustworthy.
Your “gospel” is significantly different from the one with which I am familiar. It is strange and foreign to the one that I have previously received on good account. I am asking you what your credentials are so that I can assess your credibility. It is quite simple really. If you have nothing better to offer than “because I said so” then I cannot accept your version without putting my own soul in serious peril.
Let me offer an analogy (of which I have been sternly warned against doing but read on at your own discretion)
Take for example the source code for a complex computer operating system that had been written by disciplined and credentialed programmers that used manuals filled with specifications for a particular kind of (CPU)processor and components that met specific requirements and in following those specifications, created, tested and implemented a system that was purchased by millions of customers and used successfully every day for many years.
It is impossible to imagine that undisciplined programmers of unknown and unproven ability, unfamiliar with the specifications, processors and components could, by chopping up and re-arranging bits of source code leaving out most of it, entire modules even and using different processors and compilers could somehow create as elegant, reliable and functional a system as the first group of developers.
This is what you are asking everyone to accept and it leaves me to wonder who it actually is, that is agitating and stirring up the crowds.
I dont know why, but it is post 26. 😂
What this has to with the Bereans is quite inconsequential.
Perhaps you need to think this through and ask better questions? The bereans were wise enough to check the scriptures to see if what the Apostle told them was true. They were called noble for this.
They did not evaluate Scripture based on what I hey heard. They evaluated what they heard by what God said.
My own examination of scripture has lead me personally to agree with the Gospel as presented to me by the One, True, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church founded by Christ Jesus, the tenants of which I have found to be reliable and trustworthy.
Here is likely your limitation - confirmation bias, having already concluded that the assertions about Rome are correct.
It is the human condition.
You are in effect truth blind, because you have predecided a definition of truth that is false. However, you cannot see it. A very effective vaccination against being a seeker of truth.
Your gospel is significantly different from the one with which I am familiar.
Of course it is. Mine comes directly from what God says and not what men in robes told you. I had no predecided limitation other than what God said. This is a wonderful privilege and blessing.
I am asking you what your credentials are so that I can assess your credibility. It is quite simple really
It is also not sufficient. People are not saved from the wrath to come based on believing credentials. You will gain eternal life through personal faith in Him alone, as payment for your sins. Your works or sacraments or church will not save you.
A child could read what God says, believe Him fully, and have eternal life. My bride did this at 8 years old.
Conversely, if a child is lied to by well meaning men in robes, he will not be saved.
The only credential worth anything is Him and His Word.
And of course reading and hearing without faith will not save you.
I am sorry that you missed my correction but here it is: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3608266/posts?page=176#176
These links are pretty easy to find but here is another copy of the link just for you:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_converts_to_the_Catholic_Church
I am impressed that you clicked on some of the links, I am curious as to on which ones you clicked.
Some don’t want to ‘see’ what can contradict what they have placed there trust upon. Broad is the way ...
I think exactly the opposite is true and what your are probably doing is known as projection.
Im two specific passages, we see Peter loosing salvation by faith, first to the Jews and then to the Gentiles. Sadly, the empowerment of a priesthood is not what Jesus was referencing yet the ism of Catholic is all about an empowered priesthood, for worldly power not spiritual LIFE.
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