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De Mattei: Pope Francis and his “Lutheran turning point”
Rorate Caeli ^ | November 8, 2017 | Roberto de Mattei

Posted on 11/09/2017 1:57:06 PM PST by ebb tide

De Mattei: Pope Francis and his “Lutheran turning point”

Roberto de Mattei
Corrispondenza Romana
November 8 2017




On October 31st 2016, Pope Francis inaugurated the year of Luther by meeting with representatives of Lutheranism from all over the world in the Swedish Cathedral of Lund. Since then, meetings and “ecumenical” celebrations ad abundantiam have followed one after the other in the Catholic Church.

A year exactly from that date, the “”Lutheran turning point ”was sealed by a symbolic act the gravity of which very few have noticed. The Vatican Post Office issued a stamp which celebrates the birth of Protestantism on October 31st 1517, the date Luther hung his 95 theses on the door of Wittenberg Cathedral.

V Centenary of the Protestant Reformationcan be read at the top of the stamp, presented on October 31st of this year by the Vatican Philatelic Office.  The official communiqué describes the stamp: It depicts Jesus Crucified in the foreground on a gold, timeless background showing Wittenberg city. In an attitude of penance, on their knees respectively on the left and the right of the the Cross, Martin Luther holds a Bible, source and point of his doctrine, while Philip Melanchthon, theologian and a friend of Martin Luther’s, one of the most important protagonists of the Reformation, holds in his hand the Augsburg Confession, Confessio Augustuana, the first official exposition of the principles of Protestantism drawn up by him.”

The substitution of Our Lady and St. John at the foot of the Cross with the  two heresiarchs, Luther and Melanchthon is a blasphemous offense that no Catholic cardinal or bishop has, to date, openly condemned. The significance of this image is explained by the joint declaration of the World Lutheran Federation and the Pontifical Council for the Promotion of Christian Unity, published the same day as the stamp. The note refers to the positive outcome of the dialogue between Catholics and Lutherans, endorsing the “new understanding of those XVI century events which lead to our separation” and affirms how both sides are “very grateful for the theological and spiritual gifts received through the Reformation”.


As if that weren’t enough, around the same time, La Civiltà Cattolica, the Pope’s “unofficial” voice, celebrated Luther  with  an article by Father Giancarlo Pani (Martin Luther, Five Hundred Years Later, in La Civiltà Cattolica , of October 21st – November 4th 2017, pp. 119-130)

Father Pani is the same priest who said in 2014 that the Fathers of the Council of Trent had admitted the possibility of divorce and remarriage in the case of adultery, according to the custom established in the schismatic Greek Church. Now he is sustaining that Martin Luther was in no way a heretic, but an authentic “reformer”.  In fact, “ the theses of Wittenberg are not a challenge, nor a rebellion against authority, but the proposal to renew the proclamation of the Gospel, in the sincere desire for a “reform” in the Church”. (p.128). Despite the claim “ by the Church of Rome and Luther of incarnating the truth in toto and being dispensers of it ” “ the role Luther had as a witness to the faith cannot be denied: He is “the reformer”;  he was able to initiate a process of “reform”  where the results of it  have also benefited the Catholic Church.”

If this is the case then he has been unjustly persecuted and defamed by the Catholic Church for 500 years. The time has come to rehabilitate him.  And in order to rehabilitate him we cannot limit ourselves to presenting only his prophetic side, but must make the Church accept and put into practice his demands of reform. And the Post-Synod Exhortation Amoris Laetitia represents a decisive stage on this path. They are not wrong then the authors of the Correctio filialis  (to Pope Francis) when they underlined “the affinity between Luther’s ideas on the law, justification and matrimony and those taught  or favored by Pope Francis in Amoris laetitia and elsewhere.” 

At this point it should be remembered that Pope Francis, like Father Pani, belongs to the Company of Jesus, whose Founder, St. Ignatius of Loyola, was the champion of the Faith that Divine Providence raised up in the XVI century against Lutheranism. In Germany, apostles like St. Peter Canisio and Blessed Peter Fabro, fought every inch of the way against the heretics and on the terrain of anti-Protestant controversy no-one can surpass St. Robert Bellarmino.

La Civiltà Cattolica was founded in 1850, with the support of Pius IX, and had a role of doctrinal defense against the errors of the time for a very long time. From its very first edition, on April 6th 1850, it dedicated an extensive anonymous essay (by Father Matteo Liberatore) on The Political Rationalism of the Italian Revolution, in which he saw Protestantism as the cause of all modern errors. These theses were developed, among others, by two famous Jesuit theologians: Fathers Giovanni Perrone (Protestantism and the Rule of the Faith, La Civiltà Cattolica, Rome 1853, 2 voll.), and Hartmann Grisar (Luther, Herder, Freiburg im Breisgau, 1911/1912, 3 voll.).

But the commemoration of the Lutheran revolt made by the Jesuit journal in October 1917, the fourth centenary marking the 95 theses in Wittenberg, takes on a special meaning.  (Luther and Lutheranism, in La Civiltà Cattolica, IV (1917), pp. 207-233; 421-430). The theologian of La Civiltà Cattolica explained that “The essence of the Lutheran spirit, or rather Lutheranism, is rebellion in all of its extension and in all the force of its word. Rebellion, therefore, which is personified in Luther, was varied and profound, complex and very vast; which apparently appeared but was in fact violent, angry, trivial, obscene and diabolic; deep down it was studied, and directed according to the circumstances, focused on opportunistic ends and interests, intended and wanted with  measured, resolute determination.” (pp.208-309).

Luther, La Civiltà Cattolica continues, “initiated that contemptible parody, with which the rebel monk attributed to God, his ideas, blasphemies and the abominations of his perverted mind: he outraged the Pope in an unspeakable way in the name of Christ, he cursed Caesar in the name of Christ, he blasphemed against the Church, against bishops, against monks with absolute infernal impetuosity, in the name of Christ; he threw his religious habit onto the tree of Judas, in the name of Christ and in the name of Christ he was married sacrilegiously” (p.209). “With the very convenient pretext of following Scripture, as that which alone contains the word of God, he conducted a war on scholastic theology, tradition, canon law, all the institutions and precepts of the Church and councils: in place of these august and venerated things, he, Martin Luther, perjured monk and self-proclaimed doctor, put himself and his authority! Popes, doctors and Holy Fathers were no longer of any worth; the word of Marin Luther was worth more than all of them!  (p.212). The Lutheran theory of justification, in the end, “was born of Luther’s imagination, not by the Gospel or any other word of God revealed to the writers of the New Testament: for us, every Lutheran novelty finds its origins in the concupiscence he stimulated, and in his development of the falsification of Scripture or in formal lying” (p.214

Father Pani cannot deny that the opinion he gives of Luther is a 360 degree turnaround from the one his confreres gave in the same journal, a century ago.  In 1917,  he was censured as an apostate, a rebel, a blasphemer; today he is being praised as a reformer, a prophet, [even] holy. No Hegelian dialectic can harmonize yesterday’s judgment with today’s. Luther was either a heretic who denied some basic dogmas of Christianity, or he was a “witness to faith” who initiated  the Reformation of the Church, brought to completion by the Second Vatican Council and Pope Francis.

In short, every Catholic is called upon to choose whether to side with Pope Francis and the Jesuits of today, or be alongside the Jesuits of yesterday and the Popes of all time.

It is time for choices and to mediate precisely on St. Ignatius’ two standards (Spiritual Exercises, n. 137)* which will help us make them in these difficult times.



*Translator’s note: ”It will be here how Christ calls and wants all under His standard; and Lucifer, on the contrary, under his.” (no. 137, Spiritual Exercises).



Translation: Contributor Francesca Romana



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: francischurch; heresy
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To: ebb tide

Post 12.

Which got deleted because you insulted people with it.

Your PM, in which you insulted me.

And of course all those times you called me a heretic and demonic on other threads.

I treated you with complete respect on this thread until your disgusting PM, and you can see the proof right above.

Again, it’s almost like people who treat other people shamefully get treated with contempt in return. It’s almost like you ought to treat other people the way you’d like to be treated.

What a novel hecking concept.

You’d think that the holy and wise Catholics would have a rule about that. Perhaps even a GOLDEN rule, shall we say?


41 posted on 11/09/2017 5:46:40 PM PST by Luircin
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To: Luircin
If the body that makes church theology isn’t guided by the Holy Spirit.

What part of my post:

The Holy Ghost guides the Catholic Church.

.... do you not understand?

42 posted on 11/09/2017 5:48:47 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide
The problem with relying upon the "oral traditions" is the Roman Catholic cannot say what those are.

We are left with the written word as the authoritative text to rely upon.

43 posted on 11/09/2017 5:51:20 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: Luircin

If you keep bringing up my PM, post it, with my permission.

I never insulted on this thread nor any PM to you.


44 posted on 11/09/2017 5:52:48 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

What part of my post:

The Holy Ghost guides the Catholic Church.

.... do you not understand?

***

I don’t understand why you refuse to define what the Catholic Church is.

Because if I don’t have to obey the theology of your doctors and Cardinals and Pope, what’s to stop me from claiming to be Catholic even though I reject all the doctrine of your doctors and Cardinals and Pope? What’s to stop me from claiming that I have the Holy Spirit and telling people whatever I want?

You know, like you’re doing now and what you claim Luther did.

My my, it’s almost like you want to use the Bible to determine what’s true and what’s not instead of Cardinals and Popes and Magusteriums. I thought that was heresy.


45 posted on 11/09/2017 5:54:17 PM PST by Luircin
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To: ealgeone
The problem with relying upon the "oral traditions" is the Roman Catholic cannot say what those are.

Sure they can. That's why they're called "tradition".

46 posted on 11/09/2017 5:54:38 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide
Are the following in your "scripture", or did Luther excise them also, from his"book"?

Such a tired and worn out argument from the Roman Catholic.

"[25] But there are also many other things which Jesus did; which, if they were written every one, the world itself, I think, would not be able to contain the books that should be written." [John 21:25]

And the same John who wrote that wrote this.

30Therefore many other signs Jesus also performed in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; 31but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name. John 20:30-31 NASB

"[8] But you shall receive the power of the Holy Ghost coming upon you, and you shall be witnesses unto me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and Samaria, and even to the uttermost part of the earth." [Acts Of Apostles 1:8]

No problem with this verse at all. Every believer has been given the Holy Spirit who guides us as we witness unto Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria and beyond.

But the Spirit is not going to contradict what has been revealed in Scripture.

Try as the Roman Catholic might, none of the other writings they rely upon (kinda like the Mormon who has other books besides the Bible), are considered inspired.

When Rome finally authorized its Canon at Trent, they could have included these other books. That they didn't is telling.

47 posted on 11/09/2017 5:56:08 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: ebb tide; Bryanw92
bryanw92: Absolutely. The Roman Church has proven itself to be unreliable as the final decider of what is true.

ebbtide: How so? Where are your "proofs"?

Well, you've been offering enough proof with your own Reformation type posts the past couple of years.

48 posted on 11/09/2017 5:57:53 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: metmom; ebb tide
If you’d never give up the faith, then you are obligated to submit to the pope in order to attain salvation as per the ex cathedra pronouncement of one of your own previous popes.

Unam Sanctum says he has to. He has no choice in the matter.

49 posted on 11/09/2017 5:59:40 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: ebb tide

Why? You’ll just accuse me of doctoring it. It’s not like you haven’t done so before when I quote things that you’ve said about me. Like, for example, Nazis?

Why don’t YOU post the disgusting claim that you made about my ‘sore spot’?

And it doesn’t change how you have repeatedly accused me of being a heretic and demonic either.

Once again, I tried to be respectful to you and you absolutely refused.


50 posted on 11/09/2017 6:00:05 PM PST by Luircin
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To: Luircin
I don’t understand why you refuse to define what the Catholic Church is.

Maybe it's because you have never asked me to?

I believe in the Holy, Catholic Church: An Explanation of the Ninth Article of the Apostles Creed

51 posted on 11/09/2017 6:00:16 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide; Luircin; metmom; Mark17; daniel1212; aMorePerfectUnion
>>The problem with relying upon the "oral traditions" is the Roman Catholic cannot say what those are.<<

Sure they can. That's why they're called "tradition".

Then please give us the authoritative listing of these that have been approved by the Roman Catholic Church.

These cannot contradict Scripture or each other.

I'm getting the popcorn as I await your reply.

52 posted on 11/09/2017 6:02:52 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: ebb tide

Why are you posting an explanation that you yourself claimed is not inspired by the Holy Spirit? After all, it was written by your Church Magusterium, which elected Francis.

So why are you saying that I should believe what is from man and not from God?


53 posted on 11/09/2017 6:05:26 PM PST by Luircin
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To: ebb tide

Is that official church teaching that a unanimous vote for pope is the evidence of the Holy Spirit’s guidance in his selection?

And if the vote is not unanimous, then the Holy Spirit did NOT guide the CoC in selecting the pope?

Have all previous popes in church history been selected by unanimous vote?


54 posted on 11/09/2017 6:05:41 PM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: ebb tide; Luircin
But by those words of the Creed, we affirm belief in the Church as the society or congregation of the faithful, united by the profession of one and the same Faith, united also by participation in the same Sacraments, and by submission to the legitimate prelates,

principally to the Roman Pontiff.

Perhaps YOU might want to read why you believe in a denomination.

55 posted on 11/09/2017 6:08:47 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: ebb tide; Luircin; daniel1212; boatbums; Gamecock; Mark17; ealgeone; MHGinTN; Elsie; Iscool

Wow, seems that you want to have your cake and eat it too.

The Holy Spirit guides the Catholic church except when He doesn’t.

How exactly does the Holy Spirit guide the church without guiding the men who run it? What other mechanism does He use?


56 posted on 11/09/2017 6:10:02 PM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: ebb tide; metmom; daniel1212; ealgeone; boatbums; aMorePerfectUnion

Oh, and lest I forget, there’s also the entire thread which started about nothing but insulting all Protestants and all Catholics who don’t reject Francis.

And here ebb is, upset that he’s getting insulted back after spending hundreds of pages on FR screaming putrid hatred for all things that don’t match up with his specific strain of Catholicism.


57 posted on 11/09/2017 6:10:24 PM PST by Luircin
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To: Luircin

I have never called you a Nazi, nor a heretic, nor a demon.

I challenge you to show where I have done so.

By the way, why have you resorted to thread hopping?


58 posted on 11/09/2017 6:11:26 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ealgeone; ebb tide

But by those words of the Creed, we affirm belief in the Church as the society or congregation of the faithful, united by the profession of one and the same Faith, united also by participation in the same Sacraments, and by submission to the legitimate prelates,

principally to the Roman Pontiff.

***

AHAHAHAHAH.

I missed that bit; good catch!


59 posted on 11/09/2017 6:11:49 PM PST by Luircin
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To: ebb tide; Luircin
The Paraclete does not guide each and every catholic into every perfect act of faith. Otherwise Catholics would not have the sacrament of Confession

God's word proves you wrong.

Ephesians 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

Philippians 2:13 r it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.

So the Holy Spirit does not guide Catholics.

That explains a lot.

60 posted on 11/09/2017 6:15:14 PM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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