“That’s a flat out falsehood... ‘To Protestantism False Witness is the principle of propagation’”
Was it not Thomas More who paid money from the Church coffers to Henry Phillips to deceive and betray William Tyndale? Please feel free to correct the narrative here if it is wrong.
Is this the kind of falsehood and false witness you mean that propagated the Reformation?
It seems as if the murder of Christ was reenacted in some sort of a way with the death of His faithful martyr Tyndale. Just as Stephen’s martyrdom emulated the willing submission by Christ to the death appointed by His Father, so did Tyndale. And just as Christ prayed for mercy, and Stephen likewise upon their very enemies, so did Tyndale.
This supernatural love can only come from Christ. That is a Church tradition that gives authority to the testimony that the reformers were of God. Not so much of those clergymen, such as More, who attacked him.
There was a treacherous traitor who, like Judas betraying Christ with a kiss, turned over his “friend” to be tortured and killed. Only Henry Phillips did so with the point of a finger.
And just as the Pharisees paid Judas to betray Christ, so Thomas More paid Henry Phillips to betray William Tyndale.
Is that your idea of Church tradition? Reenactment of the Passion with real murders?
Who was the one using “falsehood” in this situation. Again, please correct the record if I am missing something.
“You’ll demonstrate it’s a falsehood by being unable to substantiate it.”
I already substantiated it in the post to which you just replied.
Those quotes I made were your statements, were they not?
You claim Tyndale was put to death for heresy, as determined by representatives of the Catholic Church, correct?
It’s written right here on this forum for all to see.
Maybe you could go back to those posts and report abuse on yourself to have those comments removed.
Or you could simply clarify that your position is that any representative of the church who knowingly and willfully cooperated with those who executed people for heresy were committing sin by doing so. Simply state that this is not Church tradition, and you do not agree with or condone such actions.
That’s pretty easy. But since you don’t have to fear being tortured or murdered for not doing so, it may be easy for you to just maintain your stated beliefs.
But your beliefs will remain heresies, not traditions of the apostles.
As Jesus told the Pharisees that their seeking to kill Him was not the kind of works Abraham did, so torturing and killing men for disagreeing with their theology is not something the apostles practiced.
It's absolutely wrong and it's reprehensible that you would post that without a little research. St. Thomas More and St John Fisher were already on their way to their executions before Tyndale was betrayed. Henry VIII is the most likely source of the funding.
You wrote: “No one here is justifying torturing people for disagreeing with their theology, except you.”
I said it was a falsehood. And now you’re proving it just as I said you would: “You’ll demonstrate it’s a falsehood by being unable to substantiate it.”
And you failed to do it as it was obvious you would.
I’m not Thomas More.
You said, “you”. Meaning me - vladimir998. Now, I call on you to either substantiate your claim that I was “justifying torturing people for disagreeing with their theology”.
If you can’t, then you’re bearing false witness. That’s a sin. And I think you know that too.
That account must be wrong since More was executed in July of 1535, and Tyndale was executed a full year later in 1536.
I don’t see how More could have had any hand in Tyndale’s death since he was dead for more than a year before Tyndale’s execution.