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To: lefty-lie-spy

not to mention the fact that souls will not be able to see other souls in hell- they will hear- but not see-

I myself had an NDE where I went to hell- and it was straight blackness/heat/worms/screaming/fright/suffocation that would not kill/boiling alive but not dying etc-

on another note NDE experiences can be explained scientifically- the narrow tunnel that most people see happens when the brain gets starved of oxygen and peripheral vision gets lost- seeing loved ones is the brain trying to make sense of the dying experience- that is a very common thing to happen- life flashing before one’s eyes is also caused by synapses misfiring and the brain making connections that were blocked in life between different regions and the mind seeing vivid memories that were stored away- etc etc etc- Even the out of body experience/floating above, can be explained but i forget how now- but i didn’t experience that myself

My NDE was unbiblical as well- in the end I was given a test, and failed, started weeping, and the voice said “Don’t worry- you don’t exist’ and then I felt nothingness, a very weird and frightening sensation of being totally alone, but not present at the same time- can’t really explain that part

Bottom line- my brain freaked out from lack of oxygen, misfiring neurons, and high fever- Things i had been taught became visions to me, but somehow they also got mixed up and some acts were not biblical- it really shook me for a long time- but it really shouldn’t have as like i mentioned, it was unbiblical and either a deceit of Satan where He tried to attack my faith, or just my mind playing tricks on me- i don’t know which- I do know I weas plenty shook for a long time after


5 posted on 10/10/2017 12:50:23 AM PDT by Bob434
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To: Bob434

I’m not really into the Hell theological debate but there is the “outer darkness” of Hell as recorded in the Bible.

There also is the Rich Man and Lazarus, and the Rich Man in Hell clearly saw what was happening and other souls.

(just off the top of my head)

Regardless of this man’s vision, Hell is real, and Christ warns us over and over and over about its finality.


8 posted on 10/10/2017 1:02:56 AM PDT by Sontagged (Lord Jesus, please frogmarch Your enemies behind You as You've promised in Your Word)
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To: Bob434

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27 posted on 10/10/2017 4:06:24 AM PDT by robroys woman (So you're not confused, I'm male.)
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Over the years, several proffered scientific explanations for NDEs have been disproved or rejected on the details when examined by experts. Moreover, almost by definition, scientific explanations for NDEs fall into the netherworld of propositions that sound scientifically plausible but are not fully testable. Such propositions are more in the nature of "just so" stories than bona fide science that rests on verified facts and experimental proof.

Moreover, scientific explanations fail to address well-documented NDE accounts in which experiencers: describe ER personnel and their conversations and actions while monitors showed clinical death; see obscure objects and details while in an out of body state; describe conversations with relatives who were not yet known to be dead and relate previously unknown information passed on to them; and are declared dead but then return to life without brain damage and may have new talents or unusual perceptive powers.

When such NDE accounts are proven and multiplied in number so as to become cumulatively persuasive, we move from the material realm of science to that of the spirit. Notably, due to the hints of reincarnation, traditional Christianity is also uncomfortable with NDEs, which fits most easily with the syncretism of New Age spiritualism.

Since scientific materialism and Christianity both have to revise fundamental tenets to accommodate NDEs as real, neither has embraced research into them with enthusiasm. Perhaps a billionaire will take up the subject and fund the necessary research.

39 posted on 10/10/2017 4:34:39 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Bob434

“I myself had an NDE where I went to hell- and it was straight blackness/heat/worms/screaming/fright/suffocation that would not kill/boiling alive but not dying etc-”

LOL, you were just stuck in the Bardo. You must go through that to get to Heaven. It is an etheric fence to keep low frequency souls out of high frequency Heaven.

I’ve been through it many times both in NDE and meditation


68 posted on 10/10/2017 6:18:42 AM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings)
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To: Bob434

As an NDE experiencr and a neuroscientist, I would say your statements are way off reality.

NDE experiences can be explained scientifically- the narrow tunnel that most people see happens when the brain gets starved of oxygen and peripheral vision gets lost- seeing loved ones is the brain trying to make sense of the dying experience- that is a very common thing to happen- life flashing before one’s eyes is also caused by


69 posted on 10/10/2017 6:21:41 AM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings)
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To: Bob434

A chemical stronger than LSD is released during NDE.

Hence the out of body stuff.

I have a brain injury. A few times over the years I wake up from dreams and it takes a day or two to fully comprehend that the people and places were not real

I’ve credit over a break up with an imaginary girl for a few days

Sound funny. It’s not. We have NO CLUE how the brain work. I wish we did.


80 posted on 10/10/2017 6:38:59 AM PDT by dp0622 (The Left should know that if Trump isouokt of office, it is WAR!)
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To: Bob434

My reply to the “don’t worry you don’t exist.....” “But while I can doubt everything my senses report to my consciousness, I can not doubt that part of me that does the doubting....if I am told I don’t exist, I can’t deny that part of me that has heard “don’t worry, you don’t exist” (COGITO ERGO SUM).

It is to that part of our being that Proverbs speaks “Guard the heart for out of it flows the issues of life”


192 posted on 10/10/2017 1:03:47 PM PDT by mdmathis6 (Men and Devils can't out-"alinsky" God! He knows where "all the bodies are buried!")
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