That sure sounds like a very presumptuous statement from a Roman Catholic.
Then you offer this after I note it was interesting for you as a Roman Catholic to say that...Only if meant in a presumptuous way.
As I said....the Rules are in play when dealing with you. Words only mean what you want them to mean.
Most of the Roman Catholics I've dealt with on this board seem to doubt if they will have an eternity in Heaven.
Your post said you were going to Heaven.
“We’ve been told many times on these boards one cannot presume they will make it to Heaven.”
I didn’t presume.
“Your post said, You’ll see. If I’m wrong on this, I’m going to heaven anyway.”
I still wasn’t presuming.
“Then you offer this after I note it was interesting for you as a Roman Catholic to say that...Only if meant in a presumptuous way.”
Exactly. I didn’t say anything presumptuous because I know exactly what I said, how I said it and my intention in saying it and none of it was presumptuous.
“As I said....the Rules are in play when dealing with you.”
And as I have said, rule seems to be that that’s what you say when you fall short. Hence, you post it often.
“Words only mean what you want them to mean.”
No, but presumption means presumption. If I am not speaking with presumption, then I’m not speaking with presumption. Presumption would be that I’m going to Heaven even if I choose to disobey God, flout His law, refuse repentance, refuse His grace, live a life of sin, etc. I said that even if I was wrong about a dispensational (i.e. commonly Baptist) understanding of the end of the world happening one week from now I would still go to Heaven. Why? Because how the world ends (and there’s no logical reason to think it will end next week) has NOTHING to do with the state of my soul. Thus, nothing I said was presumptuous about either the state of my soul or about my going to Heaven.
Now, I’ll link you to a Catholic Answers article that shows I am - as is usually the case - 100% right about the definition of presumption: https://www.catholic.com/qa/what-is-the-sin-of-presumption
So, we see the eagleone rule in play again:
1) eagleone says something that is completely incorrect about something Catholic.
2) eagleone is corrected by a knowledgeable Catholic.
3) eagleone, although corrected, insists that the Catholic doesn’t actually know what he is talking about even though he cannot show any evidence - and certainly nothing from a Catholic source - which shows the Catholic was ever wrong about anything, in the first place.
4) eagleone, although corrected, continues to insist the Catholic is wrong about Catholic teaching even though he has no logical argument, no evidence, no proof, and absolutely not a single Catholic source to prove his point.
“Most of the Roman Catholics I’ve dealt with on this board seem to doubt if they will have an eternity in Heaven.”
No, not at all. What they do is express the hope of going to heaven and that is proper. Assurance of heaven is not absolute and is not held to be so except in Protestant sects and not even all of those. If that is your mistaken understanding, I suggest you read David D. Corner’s book: https://www.amazon.com/Believers-Conditional-Security-Eternal-Refuted/dp/0963907689
“Your post said you were going to Heaven.”
It sure did - and there was not a single thing presumptuous about what I said. https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/yes-christians-do-have-an-assurance-but-not-an-absolute-assurance-of
Go on. Keep posting that the Catholic must be wrong about Catholic teaching even when he isn’t and you have not a single shred of evidence that he is wrong. You have to obey the eagleone rule. You apparently can’t resist it.
 'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, ' it means just what I choose it to mean, neither more nor less.'
'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you can make words mean so many different things.' 'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master - that's all.' |
Most FR Mormons won't admit that 85% or so of their fellow believers are going to spent eternity with the like of us Prots and Catholics.
When I was a Catholic, MANY years ago, I was absolutely, totally, completely, 💯% convinced I was going to Hell. I KNEW it. Obviously, I don't think that way now.
I just thought of something. Do you suppose, it is also the sin of presumption in reverse, to presume one will go to Hell? A conundrum?