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To: ADSUM
So you believe that man has no free will? That one has no ability to choose good or evil?

Do you believe that YOU have the ability to choose between good or evil? I only state this as a rhetorical question because the ONLY correct response is no. The term "free will" never appears in scripture (except to say a "free will offering"). There is God's will and there is man's will. We are either slaves to sin or slave to God. We don't pick and choose.

So you believe that man cannot either accept God or reject Him? Please explain?

Did Paul picked to be an apostle? Samuel? Samson? Moses? David? etc. The list goes on. Did Israel choose to become God's nation? Did any other?

There are the elected of God chosen before the foundations of the world and then there are all the others. The scriptures are very clear on this. Don't ask me why this is, it simply is.

Protestant groups display a wide variety of different doctrines.

So does Catholic doctrine. Compare the Council of Trent version of "free will" to the Council of Orange and you'll see a complete change. Look up "atonement" on New Advent and you'll see that they unabashedly have changed the doctrine of atonement from what the early fathers held. All things become distorted. That is why God gave us the scriptures to ensure that we have a measuring stick for correct doctrine.

119 posted on 09/04/2017 4:13:49 AM PDT by HarleyD (Ecc 10:2 A wise man's heart inclines him to the right, but a fool's heart to the left.)
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To: HarleyD
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134 posted on 09/04/2017 4:45:52 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: HarleyD

Your question:”Did Paul picked to be an apostle? Samuel? Samson? Moses? David? etc. The list goes on. Did Israel choose to become God’s nation? Did any other? “

Yes God did choose and gave each graces, but each had the ability to accept or not accept.

Adam and Eve were chosen by God, but they rejected God and thus we had original sin. Satan and the other angels also chose to reject God.

Some chose to accept with faith the teachings of Jesus, and others chose selectively what teachings they accept and believe.


136 posted on 09/04/2017 5:52:17 AM PDT by ADSUM
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To: HarleyD
... Samson? Moses? David? etc. The list goes on. Did Israel choose to become God's nation? Did any other?

There are the elected of God chosen before the foundations of the world and then there are all the others. The scriptures are very clear on this. Don't ask me why this is, it simply is.


The LORD chose Saul to be king over His inheritance Israel. He had the prophet anoint Saul. The Holy Spirit came upon Saul and he prophesied, being turned into another man and God gave Saul another heart. The problems came later due to disobedience.


145 posted on 09/04/2017 9:01:35 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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