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To: Mrs. Don-o; metmom; daniel1212; Elsie; MHGinTN; aMorePerfectUnion; boatbums; Bodleian_Girl; ...
Well, let's just get right to it shall we. Let's compare Roman Catholic teaching on this with the New Testament.

Below is a comparison of the titles assigned to Mary by the SVC in Lumen gentium #61-62 as compared to what is found in the New Testament.

I will note up front that NO WHERE in the NT is Mary ever referred to as any of these titles.

These, like so much of Rome's false teachings on Mary, began to appear in the 4th century.

This again repudiates the Roman Catholic claim of "Sacred Tradition" being handed down from the Apostles.

In this comparison we will see that Roman Catholicsm has elevated Mary to positions equal to that of Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

This is sheer blasphemy to do so as this means that for Mary to be able to accomplish any of these she has to be divine.

Not one NT writer ever ascribed any such condition to her.

Second Vatican Council (Lumen gentium ## 61-62) For this reason, the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of: New Testament
Advocate My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous; 2and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world. 1 John 2:1-2 NASB
Auxiliatrix [Latin for helper, aide] "But the Helper [paraklétos, GR, (a) an advocate, intercessor, (b) a consoler, comforter, helper, (c) Paraclete.], the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you. John 14:26 NASB
Mediatrix [earliest reference is 4th century as applied to Mary] 5For there is one God, and one mediator [mesités, GR, properly, an arbitrator ("mediator"), guaranteeing the performance of all the terms stipulated in a covenant (agreement). In the NT this is only applied to Christ] also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

6who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time. 1 Timothy 2:5-6 NASB

Bible quotes from NASB

RCC position on Mary from https://www.ewtn.com/faith/teachings/marya4.htm

In August 1996, a Mariological Congress was held in Częstochowa, Poland, where a commission was established in response to a request of the Holy See. The congress sought the opinion of scholars present there regarding the possibility of proposing a fifth Marian dogma on Mary as Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix, and Advocate.

The commission unanimously declared that it was not opportune, voting 23-0 against the proposed dogma.[23][24] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Co-Redemptrix

Just give it a little more time and it will be thus completing the total apostasy of the Roman Catholic Church.

I call on all Roman Catholics to abandon their idolatry and blasphemous practices regarding Mary and follow Christ and Christ only.

240 posted on 08/04/2017 8:25:51 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

Very nice post.


242 posted on 08/04/2017 10:19:21 PM PDT by Bodleian_Girl (Don't check the news, check Cernovich on Twitter)
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To: ealgeone
What you're missing here is basic.

We are in Christ. He -- HE ---has made us members of His mystical body. HE --- our Lord and God --- has made us sharers in the divine nature. HE --- Christ our Savior --- has made us part of His life, death, and resurrection, His saving acts, because we offer our lives in union with Him.

Thus everything we can say of Christ, as sole, unique, sui generis, we can say of ourselves, as members of Hus Body. We can say with St. Paul, "Now, I live --- yet not 'I', but Christ lives in me."

Thus is true --- I hope --- of each of us who have entrusted ourselves to Christ, and is eminently true of Mary, the Mother of the Incarnation. She is a kind of scout disciple, for blessed is she who believed "that what was spoken to her by the Lord eiukd be fulfilled."

She us the image of the Church, virgin daughter Zion, Daughter of Jerusalem, Lady Ecclesia, the fulfillment of all the promises given to the Woman since Genesis, and thus what we say of her, we can say of ourselves as the Church in whom God dwells.

So we are part of the mission of our Head as Advocate, as Helper, as Mediator --- not indeed in pour own name or by our own power, but as participants in His mission and His nature.

Please don't miss the Big Picture, the whole way we co-act with Christ our Head.

It would be like missing the meaning of life.

246 posted on 08/05/2017 5:12:32 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: ealgeone

Eagle one, seems you are assuming a Roman will look at truth and admit the Roman church is wrong...

You will only make them mad with facts that conflict with cherished idolatry.


248 posted on 08/05/2017 6:21:11 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: ealgeone
The commission unanimously declared that it was not opportune, voting 23-0 against the proposed dogma.[23][24] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Co-Redemptrix

When asked in an interview in 2000 whether the Church would go along with the desire to solemnly define Mary as Co-redemptrix, then-Cardinal Ratzinger responded that “the response of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, is, broadly, that what is signified by this is already better expressed in other titles of Mary, while the formula “Co-redemptrix” departs to too great an extent from the language of Scripture and of the Fathers and therefore gives rise to misunderstandings” (53).

He went on to say that, “Everything comes from Him [Christ], as the Letter to the Ephesians and the Letter to the Colossians, in particular, tell us; Mary, too, is everything she is through Him. The word “Co-redemptrix” would obscure this origin. A correct intention being expressed in the wrong way. “For matters of faith, continuity of terminology with the language of Scripture and that of the Fathers is itself an essential element; it is improper simply to manipulate language(God and the world: believing and living in our time, by Pope Benedict XVI, Peter Seewald, Ignatius Press, San Francisco, 2000, p. 306 ;

Unlike some other Catholic distinctives, here "the Fathers" concur with Scripture that the formula “Co-redemptrix” departs to too great an extent from the language of it. But if Ratzinger would simply apply to "the Fathers" the standard that the formula “Co-redemptrix” departs to too great an extent from the language of Scripture" then he would have to exclude so much more in Catholicism, and not only as regards superlatives and attributes ascribed to Mary.

But the error of Catholicism is that of exalting herself over Scripture, and selectively understanding the latter by what the so-called "church fathers" (they were not of the NT church), and (in the face of opposition from heretics) making tradition equal and interpretive of Scripture, versus judging them by what was written, as the noble Bereans did to the preaching of very apostles.

And thus the progressive accretion of traditions of men were perpetuated as uninspired men adopted them as beliefs, from praying to created beings in Heaven to the psychological promotion of Mary, etc. Yet since Catholicism retained salvific Truths, then souls of poor and contrite hearts could actually find a day of salvation by faith in the risen Lord Jesus to save them on His account, a damned destitute sinners, and follow Him to some degree.

285 posted on 08/06/2017 4:35:09 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + folllow Him)
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