We are in Christ. He -- HE ---has made us members of His mystical body. HE --- our Lord and God --- has made us sharers in the divine nature. HE --- Christ our Savior --- has made us part of His life, death, and resurrection, His saving acts, because we offer our lives in union with Him.
Thus everything we can say of Christ, as sole, unique, sui generis, we can say of ourselves, as members of Hus Body. We can say with St. Paul, "Now, I live --- yet not 'I', but Christ lives in me."
Thus is true --- I hope --- of each of us who have entrusted ourselves to Christ, and is eminently true of Mary, the Mother of the Incarnation. She is a kind of scout disciple, for blessed is she who believed "that what was spoken to her by the Lord eiukd be fulfilled."
She us the image of the Church, virgin daughter Zion, Daughter of Jerusalem, Lady Ecclesia, the fulfillment of all the promises given to the Woman since Genesis, and thus what we say of her, we can say of ourselves as the Church in whom God dwells.
So we are part of the mission of our Head as Advocate, as Helper, as Mediator --- not indeed in pour own name or by our own power, but as participants in His mission and His nature.
Please don't miss the Big Picture, the whole way we co-act with Christ our Head.
It would be like missing the meaning of life.
MrsD, you’re flailing about trying to excuse Rome’s position on Mary which is in contradiction of the New Testamemt.
What you are missing is basic monothesism, using 'poetical expression' specifically selected to blur the identities of ourselves, and God Himself, in place of much simpler theology which recognizes the distinctions between Him, and us.
You say things such as;
As has been pointed out on numerous occasion, John the Baptist was even more so, yet there is no cult of John the Baptist proclaiming him to be "co-redeemer" and such like salutation reserved for "Mary", nearly alone.
Praying to the Church, now are we? -- while defending "it" from criticisms of having put itself in place of God?
That's the trouble with worshiping one's own worship, and in part, that's what all this disputation over Marianism is really about.
From your own place of perspective --in part, at the least-- it's about defending the Roman Catholic Church from charge of having entered into theological error, is it not? Am I mind-reading here? Perhaps -- but you have been repeatedly doing so toward eagleone each and every time you've been telling that person all about what you think they've been missing.
I will say that I doubt that they've been missing what you keep repeating, each time things re-worded as if some slight shifting around and recombination of imagery will do the trick.
It's more that what you've been saying is not being accepted under the terms that you've been seeking to have what you say be accepted, since those terms are structured to lead ever and always to one, and only one place most particularly -- to the [alleged] "glories" of Roman Catholicism.
Right about here is where sola Christus comes to the fore.
The stone which the builders reject -- is still the head of the corner. But go ahead, beat thine head upon that stone. Knock thine_ self_ out. I do wish you would. It would save everyone a whole bunch of time.
Know you not that your works will be tried as if by fire, and everything not properly built upon that one stone (which is Christ) will burn as stubble & hay?
Double-talk like -- "but, but, everything Mary has she obtains from Jesus!" and "we ask Her only for that!" will not survive fire of testing any more than the Mormon Church calling themselves Latter-Day Saints makes themselves into being so (and more to the point -- themselves being the ONLY actual latter-day "saints", provided if any of that crowd be seen by the Lord as his own).
Such as the following;
may be fully enough grasped by going to the Lord directly, rather than praying to "Mary" be our deliverer.
This --is-- confusion:
When the bishops of a particular ecclesiastical organization are confused -- it's time to move on, and get away from them, to not follow them.
Thank God for the Protestant Reformation. Mary was blessed, surely, yet she should not be looked upon as savior.
As confused as you are, "missing" crucial things -- continually putting something else in place of God, Himself -- could you imagine how much worse it would have become by now, if there had not been Protestants around working to try and keep the Roman Catholic Church honest?
They do so so by default, whenever presenting their own testimony of His kingship and saving power, rather than focus turning to an alleged 'Queen of Heaven' instead. That seems to be what YOU are missing.
I'll put it this way;
Having tasted of His pure Spirit --- contaminants of the same become more readily discernible.
He is not us, and we are not Him. Begin there, and never forget it.
He is Eternal. We ourselves (Mary included, as created beings) have our own beginnings.
As you said;
Yes, to forget what I have told you would be to miss the Big Picture -- by distorting it a room full of fun-house mirrors of "poetical expression" that should not be the source & driver of theological understanding.
It would be like missing the meaning of life by accepting distorted images of ourselves and our relationship with Him.
“Thus is true -— I hope -— of each of us who have entrusted ourselves to Christ, and is eminently true of Mary, the Mother of the Incarnation. She is a kind of scout disciple, for blessed is she who believed “that what was spoken to her by the Lord eiukd be fulfilled.”
She us the image of the Church, virgin daughter Zion, Daughter of Jerusalem, Lady Ecclesia, the fulfillment of all the promises given to the Woman since Genesis, and thus what we say of her, we can say of ourselves as the Church in whom God dwells.”
Elsie, have you added these demigoddess titles God never spoke?
God says that Mary was a sinner.
You agree with God, right? Especially when a dogma contradicts God, right?
You wouldn’t put a man-made dogma before the very Word of God, would you?
No, ealgeone has missed nothing exposing the blasphemies. There is so much truth in his exposing mariology, the catholic mind cannot afford the truth!
Are you serious? We can say of Christ, as sole, unique, sui generis, we can say of ourselves? That being made His body means we have all His attributes, titles and glory, being omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, the atonement for the sins of the world, the express image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature by which were all things created, and by which all things consist, that in which should all fulness dwell, and the source of all grace, etc.?
She us the image of the Church, virgin daughter Zion, Daughter of Jerusalem, Lady Ecclesia, the fulfillment of all the promises given to the Woman since Genesis, and thus what we say of her, we can say of ourselves as the Church in whom God dwells.
But Catholics do not simply we say of all believers what they say of the Mary which they have created, but the whole hyperexaltation of her, which is the issue, rests upon uniquely ascribing to her things that are not ascribed to the church or are not uniquely ascribed to Mary.
Reducing the hyperexaltation of Mary to simply being that of ascribing to her things that are ascribed to the church is itself not honest.