Posted on 08/02/2017 2:07:44 PM PDT by detective
The Venezuelan Episcopal Conference (CEV) has publicly invoked the intercession of the Virgin Mary to free the nation “from the claws of communism,” in a clear reference to the regime of President Nicolás Maduro.
“Blessed Virgin, Mother of Coromoto, heavenly Patron of Venezuela, free our country from the claws of communism and socialism,” the CEV posted on Twitter this Sunday, complete with an image of Santa Maria and a Venezuelan flag.
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He also said “no man comes to the Father but through the SON. Last I checked, Mary wasn’t Jesus.
Very nice post.
You are so right to promote the Rosary. :)
It is such a powerful meditative prayer. In sequence it has us ponder the Incarnation of God the Word, the sanctification of St John the Baptist in his mother’s womb by the power of Jesus Christ (Agent cause) effected through his mother’s words (instrumental cause), the birth of the Messiah Redeemer coming as an innocent babe to rescue us, the Presentation of God the Word in the Temple fulfilling the Law and the prophets, the instruction of God the Word to the high priests and scribes opening up the meaning of the entire Old Testament to them, Jesus Christ’s Agony in the Garden where He suffered most from those souls who would reject His love, His scourging at the pillar, the crowning of thorns, His carrying of the cross to Calvary, His death on the cross for our sins, Jesus Christ’ Resurrection from the dead conquering both sin and death, His Ascension into heaven to sit at the right hand of the Father, the descent of the Holy Ghost upon the Apostles, the Assumption of His Blessed Mother into heaven after her death, and the crowning of Mary Queen of heaven and earth (angels and men). It is a most wonderful prayer. Those who pray it are filled with God’s graces which allow them to abandon sin and strive for holiness. During this prayer Jesus’ name is blessed by the penitent 153 times, the Our Father, the most perfect prayer taught to us by Jesus Christ Himself, is recited 16 times. The Holy Trinity is glorified 16 times as well. The name of Mary is blessed in the same breaths as the name of Jesus Christ by the words of the Archangel Gabriel and the words of St. Elizabeth. And we ask the mother of our Redeemer to pray for us as we pray for ourselves, our neighbor, and those in most need of the salvation freely given by Jesus Christ, true God and true man, Who is crazy in love with us. His love for us cannot be explained. The Rosary is above all else an act of love, charity towards God and man. The Rosary brings peace to our souls, it ends wars, it drives out demons, it prepares and points us towards the goal, our true End, Jesus Christ, who is the Way, the Truth, and the LIfe.
Perhaps you would like to show my participation on the last five threads about "the church".. since I'm on "every" one.
Thanks in advance for your kind verification of your hyperbolic statement.
I see that nobody could back the accusation. That's because it was false.
Compared to how many new FR threads there are every day, it seems to me you rarely post at all. I would guess that you post on far less than 5% of FR threads, generally, and only here of late have occasionally posted comment on 'religion' forum threads -- whereas for years previous you seemed to have avoided the ghetto, near entirely.
All of which leaves me not wondering what they are talking about -- but knowing the 'nutcase' accuser was pulling it out of his backside.
And then --- there always has to be at least one dummy that chimes in with agreement with patent falsehood.
I think she wants to have your baby, gunner.
Sorry for mention of that possibly nightmare inducing scenario -- but -- I just couldn't keep myself from caring, and sharing. <[;^')
No argument from me, for that, but it may be best to not ping the poor guy for a week, or so.
Seems like a moderator sent him to go sit in a corner somewhere.
We are in Christ. He -- HE ---has made us members of His mystical body. HE --- our Lord and God --- has made us sharers in the divine nature. HE --- Christ our Savior --- has made us part of His life, death, and resurrection, His saving acts, because we offer our lives in union with Him.
Thus everything we can say of Christ, as sole, unique, sui generis, we can say of ourselves, as members of Hus Body. We can say with St. Paul, "Now, I live --- yet not 'I', but Christ lives in me."
Thus is true --- I hope --- of each of us who have entrusted ourselves to Christ, and is eminently true of Mary, the Mother of the Incarnation. She is a kind of scout disciple, for blessed is she who believed "that what was spoken to her by the Lord eiukd be fulfilled."
She us the image of the Church, virgin daughter Zion, Daughter of Jerusalem, Lady Ecclesia, the fulfillment of all the promises given to the Woman since Genesis, and thus what we say of her, we can say of ourselves as the Church in whom God dwells.
So we are part of the mission of our Head as Advocate, as Helper, as Mediator --- not indeed in pour own name or by our own power, but as participants in His mission and His nature.
Please don't miss the Big Picture, the whole way we co-act with Christ our Head.
It would be like missing the meaning of life.
MrsD, you’re flailing about trying to excuse Rome’s position on Mary which is in contradiction of the New Testamemt.
Eagle one, seems you are assuming a Roman will look at truth and admit the Roman church is wrong...
You will only make them mad with facts that conflict with cherished idolatry.
Let's hope not!
They know that to be true which is why the Fifth Marian Dogma has not been proclaimed....yet.
Enough to make a guy want to make it difficult for people to find him, eh?
You may have to not wait around for the yard-campers to show up, and just go ahead & blow up your own mailbox. (and get one of those post office boxes, instead)
Ok --so we'll miss out on the t-shirt roads to riches thing, but who cares?
Freedom, baby, that's what I'm talking about.
What you are missing is basic monothesism, using 'poetical expression' specifically selected to blur the identities of ourselves, and God Himself, in place of much simpler theology which recognizes the distinctions between Him, and us.
You say things such as;
As has been pointed out on numerous occasion, John the Baptist was even more so, yet there is no cult of John the Baptist proclaiming him to be "co-redeemer" and such like salutation reserved for "Mary", nearly alone.
Praying to the Church, now are we? -- while defending "it" from criticisms of having put itself in place of God?
That's the trouble with worshiping one's own worship, and in part, that's what all this disputation over Marianism is really about.
From your own place of perspective --in part, at the least-- it's about defending the Roman Catholic Church from charge of having entered into theological error, is it not? Am I mind-reading here? Perhaps -- but you have been repeatedly doing so toward eagleone each and every time you've been telling that person all about what you think they've been missing.
I will say that I doubt that they've been missing what you keep repeating, each time things re-worded as if some slight shifting around and recombination of imagery will do the trick.
It's more that what you've been saying is not being accepted under the terms that you've been seeking to have what you say be accepted, since those terms are structured to lead ever and always to one, and only one place most particularly -- to the [alleged] "glories" of Roman Catholicism.
Right about here is where sola Christus comes to the fore.
The stone which the builders reject -- is still the head of the corner. But go ahead, beat thine head upon that stone. Knock thine_ self_ out. I do wish you would. It would save everyone a whole bunch of time.
Know you not that your works will be tried as if by fire, and everything not properly built upon that one stone (which is Christ) will burn as stubble & hay?
Double-talk like -- "but, but, everything Mary has she obtains from Jesus!" and "we ask Her only for that!" will not survive fire of testing any more than the Mormon Church calling themselves Latter-Day Saints makes themselves into being so (and more to the point -- themselves being the ONLY actual latter-day "saints", provided if any of that crowd be seen by the Lord as his own).
Such as the following;
may be fully enough grasped by going to the Lord directly, rather than praying to "Mary" be our deliverer.
This --is-- confusion:
When the bishops of a particular ecclesiastical organization are confused -- it's time to move on, and get away from them, to not follow them.
Thank God for the Protestant Reformation. Mary was blessed, surely, yet she should not be looked upon as savior.
As confused as you are, "missing" crucial things -- continually putting something else in place of God, Himself -- could you imagine how much worse it would have become by now, if there had not been Protestants around working to try and keep the Roman Catholic Church honest?
They do so so by default, whenever presenting their own testimony of His kingship and saving power, rather than focus turning to an alleged 'Queen of Heaven' instead. That seems to be what YOU are missing.
I'll put it this way;
Having tasted of His pure Spirit --- contaminants of the same become more readily discernible.
He is not us, and we are not Him. Begin there, and never forget it.
He is Eternal. We ourselves (Mary included, as created beings) have our own beginnings.
As you said;
Yes, to forget what I have told you would be to miss the Big Picture -- by distorting it a room full of fun-house mirrors of "poetical expression" that should not be the source & driver of theological understanding.
It would be like missing the meaning of life by accepting distorted images of ourselves and our relationship with Him.
“Sadly you’re right. The Roman Catholic simply will not see the evidence even though it’s right in front of them. The RCC condones idolatry and has elevated Mary to a position equal to Christ and the Spirit.”
Once you accept the Truth Vaccine, you are protected from all facts, logic and evidence that challenges pre-belief.
I pray for their salvation - that God, in His mercy, will open their eyes. As God did for Paul when he was so sure he knew what was true.
“Thus is true -— I hope -— of each of us who have entrusted ourselves to Christ, and is eminently true of Mary, the Mother of the Incarnation. She is a kind of scout disciple, for blessed is she who believed “that what was spoken to her by the Lord eiukd be fulfilled.”
She us the image of the Church, virgin daughter Zion, Daughter of Jerusalem, Lady Ecclesia, the fulfillment of all the promises given to the Woman since Genesis, and thus what we say of her, we can say of ourselves as the Church in whom God dwells.”
Elsie, have you added these demigoddess titles God never spoke?
You never heard of terms like Old Testament, prophecy, fulfillment, types, foreshadowing? -— Really, Biblical as your interests run, I know the concepts of Biblical imaging, personification, metaphor, etc are not unfamiliar to you.
If you sincerely mistake Scriptural phrases like “Daughter Zion” or “Lady Ecclesia” as demigoddess titles -— that is, if you’re not just snarking -— I have to wonder how much of the OT and NT is truly Terra Incognita to you.
(I’m not saying this to belittle you. I’m sure you know a great deal. There’s so much depth in Scripture, and I’d be the first to admit my limitations before so vast a horizon.)
If you sincerely mistake Scriptural phrases like “Daughter Zion” or “Lady Ecclesia” as demigoddess titles -— that is, if you’re not just snarking -— I have to wonder how much of the OT and NT is truly Terra Incognita to you.
(I’m not saying this to belittle you. I’m sure you know a great deal. There’s so much depth in Scripture, and I’d be the first to admit my limitations before so vast a horizon.)
The problem with your reasoning is the Roman Catholic begins to "read into" the text things that aren't there.
The emphasis on Mary in Roman Catholicism has turned her into a demi-goddess....complete with idols and prayers and exalted titles as I've demonstrated previously.
That’s what the non- messianic Jews say about Christian OT exegesis: in every instance, they say we’re reading into the Tanakh text “things that aren’t there.”
They say this because they don’t believe that Jesus Christ is the Incarnate Son of God, the Messiah of Israel, the Redeemer of the World. Thus everything in our Scripture scholarship strikes them as flagrant Christian eisegesis. I think you must have run into this if you have had dialogs with religiously observant Jews.
Just as “a certain sort of Jew” is utterly uninterested in, or skeptical of, any Christological content in the Tanakh, so “a certain kind of Protestant” has exactly the same attitude toward the Marian content of the OT.
I think it shows a thinness in understanding of the Incarnation. This is true of all if us, of course — Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant -— because the implications of the Incarnation are so vast. I feel I’ve swum in and grabbed into a bit of coastal rock and just realized it was the edge of a continent.
I would invite you to take a break from your skepticism for a bit, and actually look into it.
To me, it is a source of joy in God my Savior.
Daughter of Zion is Israel - so stolen when given to Mary.
Lady Ecclesia - give me a verse reference please.
I’ll let the rest go until you provide a verse.
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No, I’m saying that the only way to eternal life is the way Yehova presented in the Gospel of the Kingdom given to his Kehillah on the first Shavuot, at Mt Sinai.
It has absolutely nothing to do with anything related to the worship of mortal men, including ‘Mary.’
God says that Mary was a sinner.
You agree with God, right? Especially when a dogma contradicts God, right?
You wouldn’t put a man-made dogma before the very Word of God, would you?
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