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To: Mrs. Don-o

Heaven knows how many mistranslations are in this list. I only checked one item. What is cited as:

Luke 20:13 (reverence for a landowner’s son) 

Then said the lord of the vineyard, What shall I do? I will send my beloved son: it may be they will reverence him when they see him.

Is more accurately and literally translated as:

Luke 20:13 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

13 The owner of the vineyard said, ‘What shall I do? I will send my beloved son; perhaps they will respect him.’

The difference between ‘reverence,’ and ‘respect,’ is vast.


224 posted on 08/04/2017 2:47:52 PM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Inernet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Fantasywriter

Reverence is a form of respect.

The “vast” difference is between the honor given to saints and angels, and the adoration given to God.

However I do encourage you -— all of us -— to keep thinking about the distinctions and gradations between these various forms of respect. The lack of distinction and gradation is what causes people to conflate veneration with idolatry.

I really think part of the problem here is that we live in a society almost totally lacking in an “honor tradition” -— except, as I noted, in the military.


225 posted on 08/04/2017 3:25:25 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Blessed be God in His angels and in His saints.)
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To: Fantasywriter

If you will look up Luke 20:13 at BibleHub.com, and check out the many translations, you will note that “reverence” is the word used in the KJV.


226 posted on 08/04/2017 3:29:42 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Blessed be God in His angels and in His saints.)
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To: Fantasywriter; Mrs. Don-o
The difference between ‘reverence,’ and ‘respect,’ is vast.

Beware of the Catholic tactic of reducing the argument to being that of merely bowing or kneeling, versus adoration manifest such as kneeling or prostrating oneself before a statue and praising the entity it represented in the unseen world, beseeching such for Heavenly help, and making offerings to them, and giving glory and titles and ascribing attributes to such which are never given in Scripture to created beings (except to false gods), including having the uniquely Divine power glory to hear and respond to virtually infinite numbers of prayers individually addressed to them

Which manner of adulation would constitute worship in Scripture, yet Catholics imagine that by playing word games then they can avoid crossing the invisible line between mere "veneration" and worship.

Moses, put down those rocks! I was only engaging in hyper dulia, not adoring her. Can't you tell the difference?

The real Mary of Scripture only prayed to the Lord in Heaven, never to anyone else, which is never seen among the approx. 200 prayers in Scripture - except by pagans.


292 posted on 08/06/2017 5:25:17 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + folllow Him)
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To: Fantasywriter

Reverence is a form of respect.

The “vast” difference is between the honor given to saints and angels, and the adoration given to God.

However I do encourage you -— all of us -— to keep thinking about the distinctions and gradations between these various forms of respect. The lack of distinction and gradation is what causes people to conflate veneration with idolatry.

I really think part of the problem here is that we live in a society almost totally lacking in an “honor tradition” -— except, as I noted, in the military.


717 posted on 08/15/2017 10:37:19 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Blessed be God in His angels and in His saints.)
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