Posted on 08/02/2017 2:07:44 PM PDT by detective
The Venezuelan Episcopal Conference (CEV) has publicly invoked the intercession of the Virgin Mary to free the nation “from the claws of communism,” in a clear reference to the regime of President Nicolás Maduro.
“Blessed Virgin, Mother of Coromoto, heavenly Patron of Venezuela, free our country from the claws of communism and socialism,” the CEV posted on Twitter this Sunday, complete with an image of Santa Maria and a Venezuelan flag.
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Fine. Unnecessary since it changes nothing I said - it only proves I got it right from the beginning.
No...it provides clarity on the topic as you seemed to be using it to justify something not intended in the text. Wouldn't be the first time a Roman Catholic has made that type of assertion.
And I see the Rules are in effect already.
>>“And all of those examples are people on earth praying for people on earth or were prayers directed to God on behalf of someone.”<<
Exactly. INTERCESSION. If we on earth can intercede, how much more can those in Heaven?
Exactly how Roman Catholicism minimizes the impact of our prayers and elevates those in Heaven above ours.
I think James had something to say about the effectiveness of the prayer of a righteous man.
>>“There are admonitions in the NT to pray to anyone other than God.”<<
Saints in Heaven are united with God. There is no prohibition whatsoever in the New Testament against asking Saints to intercede with God for us.
Well, you can ask, but they can't hear.
And yes...while there isn't anything in the NT saying vlad don't pray to Mary or your mom, it is clear from the Scriptures we are to pray TO only God or Jesus....never to the created being. Only to the Creator.
I’ll have to explain the Rules of Debate with Vlad to you sometime.
That's exactly how I think Roman Catholics view Jesus with their emphasis on praying to Mary.
In "Glories of Mary" by Liguori, whose writings were declared free from anything meriting censure by Pope Gregory XVI (1839) in the bull of his canonization, he teaches, Beware, chosen soul, of thinking that it is more perfect to direct your work and intention straight to Jesus or straight to God. Without Mary, your work and your intention will be of little value. But if you go to God through Mary, your work will become Mary's work, and consequently will be most noble and most worthy of God. - THE SECRET OF MARY, St. Louis de Montfort; http://www.ewtn.com/library/Montfort/SECRET.HTM
ccording to Eadmer (A.D. 1060–1124), an English monk and student of Anselm, “sometimes salvation is quicker if we remember Mary's name then if we invoked the name of the Lord Jesus...[who] does not at once, answer anyone who invokes him, but only does so after just judgment. But if the name of his mother Mary is invoked, her merits intercede so that he is answered even if the merits of him who invoked her do not deserve it.” Through her “the elements are renewed, the netherworld is healed, the demons are trodden underfoot, men are saved and angels are restored.” — Andrew Taylor, “Three medieval manuscripts and their readers,” University of Pennsylvania press; page 173
And where can we find an advocate who is more earnest in the affair of our salvation, or who loves us more than Mary? "We acknowledge," says Saint Augustine of her, "that one alone is solicitous for us in Heaven. "...in order that our Lord may pardon us our sins, help us with His grace, free us from dangers, and relieve us in our wants, says, addressing in the words of an ancient writer: 'We know that we have as it were but one solicitous in Heaven for us, and thou art this one, so greatly does thy solicitude for us exceed that of all the Saints.'" - Liguori, Saint Alfonso Maria De'. (2013). pp. 181-2. The Glories of Mary. London: Forgotten Books. http://www.forgottenbooks.com/readbook_text/The_Glories_of_Mary_1000665057/181"
You got that right.
In Heaven...yes we will.
22I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23And the city has no need of the sun or of the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God has illumined it, and its lamp is the Lamb. 24The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it. 25In the daytime (for there will be no night there) its gates will never be closed; 26and they will bring the glory and the honor of the nations into it; 27and nothing unclean, and no one who practices abomination and lying, shall ever come into it, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.
1Then he showed me a river of the water of life, clear as crystal, coming from the throne of God and of the Lamb, 2in the middle of its street. On either side of the river was the tree of life, bearing twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit every month; and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. 3There will no longer be any curse; and the throne of God and of the Lamb will be in it, and His bond-servants will serve Him; 4they will see His face, and His name will be on their foreheads. 5And there will no longer be any night; and they will not have need of the light of a lamp nor the light of the sun, because the Lord God will illumine them; and they will reign forever and ever.
Rev 21:22-22:5 NASB
Please clarify. In heaven, “yes we will” what? Be LESS able to hear, see, pray effectively -— or MORE able?
Myself, personally, I love God’s symphonies.
She doesn't even know you.
Stop telling Catholics what they do and do not believe.
Why don't you go to Sudan and tell the muslims what they do and do not believe?
She most assuredly does and her decomposing body rests there until Christ calls her body out of the grave with the rest of us.
All I can say is your in for a big surprise. I hope it's not to late for you.
Thanks for proving my point.
“It is written and Trust in the Lord are good proofs of sola scriptura and sola fide .”
1) No where in scripture is it written that sola fide is an orthodox doctrine. NO WHERE.
2) Also, trust in the Lord in no way a proof of either sola scriptura and sola fide.
“Actually sola fide and sola scriptura are through God’s power....He’s made it possible for both.”
No, He did not. Neither heretical doctrine was ever part of God’s plan nor could they be since they contravene other parts of His plan. Both sola scriptura and sola fide were invented. Neither came from God, nor were they taught by the Holy Spirit in scripture, nor were they taught by the Church.
“Or maybe the 243 references to faith in the NT might be a strong indicator of sola fide.”
Nope. Hundreds of references to faith is exactly zero references to faith alone. Besides, as everyone knows, the only time faith alone is mentioned is in James 2 which does not commend it as a doctrine at all. That one non-recommendation of faith alone trounces all the non-mentionings of sola fide you can muster. What you’re doing here is simply not intellectually honest.
“Regarding sola scriptura, there are 76 results of “it is written” in the Bible. More are in the NT (60) which would not be a surprise.”
Which proves NOTHING about sola scriptura. Sola scriptura does not mean “it is written”. What you’re doing here is simply not intellectually honest.
I altered none of the text from newadvent.org.
I only posted the pertinent parts that showed Roman Catholicism's sources say they don't know what you claim they know.
Stop telling Catholics what they do and do not believe.
All I'm doing is using Roman Catholic sources. You have a problem with the content, take it up with them.
Why don't you go to Sudan and tell the muslims what they do and do not believe?
Why don't you?
But then again maybe ya'll don't disagree as your CCC says ya'll "adore the one merciful God."
Continuing our discussion of interreligious dialogue, today we will reflect on dialogue with Muslims, who “together with us adore the one, merciful God” (Lumen gentium, n. 16; cf. CCC, n. 841). The Church has a high regard for them, convinced that their faith in the transcendent God contributes to building a new human family based on the highest aspirations of the human heart.
https://w2.vatican.va/content/john-paul-ii/en/audiences/1999/documents/hf_jp-ii_aud_05051999.html
But if any Muslims post on these threads I'll be happy to debate with them as well.
Yes the Rules are in full play tonight.
he's probably evil no doubt....but stop the nonsense....
a GOOD pope however would be out loudly denouncing what is happening...
intercede meaning acting like a go between....people pray to Mary and all the saints to intercede with OUR FATHER...
Look up the Battle of Lepanto to see if the Rosary doesn’t work miracles!
It does!
Right...got it. The Rules.
Besides, as everyone knows, the only time faith alone is mentioned is in James 2 which does not commend it as a doctrine at all. That one non-recommendation of faith alone trounces all the non-mentionings of sola fide you can muster. What you’re doing here is simply not intellectually honest.
You are aware Roman Catholic writers did use the words "faith alone" prior to Luther....right?
If we are not saved by faith what else is there?
The thief on the cross had no chance to do any "good works".
Do you believe in death bed conversions? If yes...what are they doing? Trusting in faith for their future. They have no chance to do anything else.
There are no "good works" that are good enough to aid in our salvation.
I do agree with both James and Paul that if we are believers in Christ there is to be fruit produced.
It's a natural outflow of our faith in Christ.
But those "works" are what save us. If anyone is counting on works I ask this...
How many do you have to do?
What do you have to do? How do you know you've done enough?
No...works based salvation is not scriptural in any sense.
I imagine you've done a study on the audiences of James and Paul. If you have you understand what they're talking about. To claim otherwise is intellectual dishonesty on your part....but the Rules are in play.
There is far more support for sola scriptura and sola fide than any of the Marian dogmas Roman Catholics cling to.
I've always wondered why Roman Catholicism didn't include any of the ECF writings regarding Mary at Trent when they formalized their canon.
What's your take on why they didn't?
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