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To: Elsie

It is not mind-reading. It’s reading verses in context. Mary is not mentioned anywhere in connection with “all have sinned and fallen short.” Thus, it is irrational to claim that this statement was intended to deny the Immaculate Conception.

Since that statement is true of every person to whom it is addressed, it is perfectly reasonable.

You already admit that JESUS is an exception, right? Even though he is not mentioned as an exception?

If you insist that the statement was intended to be absolutely exceptionless, then you believe Jesus was a sinner.


173 posted on 08/01/2017 2:07:36 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan (https://youtu.be/IYUYya6bPGw)
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To: Arthur McGowan
If you insist that the statement was intended to be absolutely exceptionless, then you believe Jesus was a sinner.

Was Jesus Divine? Was He at least partly God? Can God sin? Jesus came for all of mankind. Jn. 3:16 " For God so loved the world that He gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life." That was addressed to mankind. All of mankind including Mary.
". Mary is not mentioned anywhere in connection with “all have sinned and fallen short.”"
Mary is part of all. I have never heard a more asinine statement to do the mental gymnastics Catholics do to deny Mary was a sinner, needed a savior and died. Of course, Mary is part of all. The Immaculate Conception was Jesus NOT Mary. How can you get that one wrong?

174 posted on 08/01/2017 2:29:12 PM PDT by BipolarBob (I bought a house on a one-way street that's also a dead end and now I can't leave.)
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To: Arthur McGowan
Mary is not mentioned anywhere in connection with “all have sinned and fallen short.”

Neither was Arthur, but I'll bet GOOD money he was a SINNER; under the blanket word ALL.

178 posted on 08/01/2017 2:51:54 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Arthur McGowan
Thus, it is irrational to claim that this statement was intended to deny the Immaculate Conception.

It is; however; quite rational to state that good ol' common sense amply denies the Immaculate Conception.


Rome conjured up the idea that a GOD simply could NOT be born from a sinful woman; therefore Mary HAD to be born (and kept) sinless.

179 posted on 08/01/2017 2:55:06 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Arthur McGowan

The logic you display here is NOT based upon math; is it?


180 posted on 08/01/2017 2:56:03 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Arthur McGowan
You already admit that JESUS is an exception, right? Even though he is not mentioned as an exception?

Really?

Luke 22:70
Then said they all, Are you then the Son of God? And he said to them, You say that I am.

181 posted on 08/01/2017 2:57:49 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Arthur McGowan

The Holy Spirit, who inspired Scripture, states that Jesus was the exception. The Scriptures claim sinlessness for no one else.

2 Corinthians 5:21 God made Him who knew no sin [to be] sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.


182 posted on 08/01/2017 3:23:34 PM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Inernet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Arthur McGowan
It is not mind-reading. It’s reading verses in context. Mary is not mentioned anywhere in connection with “all have sinned and fallen short.” Thus, it is irrational to claim that this statement was intended to deny the Immaculate Conception.

So *all* doesn't really mean *ALL*. It means what the Catholic church decides it means.

Just like *dead* doesn't really mean dead.

I guess in Catholicism, words don't mean what they say, they mean what the Catholic church wants them to say.

204 posted on 08/01/2017 9:26:18 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: Arthur McGowan
It is not mind-reading. It’s reading verses in context. Mary is not mentioned anywhere in connection with “all have sinned and fallen short.” Thus, it is irrational to claim that this statement was intended to deny the Immaculate Conception.

So *all* doesn't really mean *ALL*. It means what the Catholic church decides it means.

Just like *dead* doesn't really mean dead.

I guess in Catholicism, words don't mean what they say, they mean what the Catholic church wants them to say.

205 posted on 08/01/2017 9:26:18 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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