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"Catholics Will Have to Decide Whether They Guard the Faith Over Papolatry"
Gloria TV ^ | July 17, 2017 | Gloria TV

Posted on 07/17/2017 8:08:32 AM PDT by ebb tide

“Francis is more interested in leftwing politics than in Catholic theology”, George Neumayr, contributing editor of The American Spectator, states talking to Tom Woods on July 14th on tomwoods.com. Woods describes Francis as a result of John Paul II who - as he puts it - appointed "absolutely terrible people" as bishops: "Catholics have suffered under Bergoglios for decades now”.

Neumayr agrees that a lot of the liberal bishops were appointed by John Paul II and Benedict XVI. He sees Francis as the “culmination of a century” of liberalism and modernism in the Church.

For him it is "highly unlikely" that Francis, who in his theology is “more a Protestant than a Catholic” will convert to Catholicism. Instead, the realistic scenario is that Francis will produce division and chaos, "Catholics will have to decide whether they guard the faith over papolatry.”

And: “The Cardinals have to declare that Francis is a bad pope who must be resisted.”


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: francischurch; protestants
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To: metmom
I don’t see the word *sacrament* in anything you posted.

Look again; read slowly this time:

[32] This is a great sacrament; but I speak in Christ and in the church. " [Ephesians Chapter 5]

161 posted on 07/17/2017 5:53:12 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: ebb tide; metmom; aMorePerfectUnion
[32] This is a great sacrament; but I speak in Christ and in the church. " [Ephesians Chapter 5]

No wonder Roman Catholicism gets stuff wrong. The word in Ephesians 5:32, τὸ μυστήριον, is only translated as "sacrament" in the Vulgate.

No other major translation renders it this way. The word conveys the meaning of:

the content of that which has not been known before but which has been revealed to an in-group or restricted constituency

Louw, J. P., & Nida, E. A. (1996). Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament: based on semantic domains (electronic ed. of the 2nd edition., Vol. 1, p. 344). New York: United Bible Societies.

3466 mystḗrion (the root of the English term, "mystery") – mystery. In the Bible, a "mystery" (3466 /mystḗrion) is not something unknowable. Rather, it is what can only be known through revelation, i.e. because God reveals it.

162 posted on 07/17/2017 5:55:40 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: metmom
>>Could you show us where the words *Roman Catholic church* are found in the Bible?

Then you might be able to prove that the RCC is the OTC.

No...but I can show you where Baptists are...as in John the Baptist!

I can even find the Bereans.

But no Roman Catholics.

163 posted on 07/17/2017 5:57:23 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone; MHGinTN; metmom
I'd be willing say I give more than the typical Roman Catholic based on surveys of people giving to their church.

Do you detect a small amount of 2 Cor 2:16A here? 😂😇

164 posted on 07/17/2017 5:57:27 PM PDT by Mark17 (Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
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To: Mark17

So what church do y’all attend on Sundays?

Or do you just ignore the Third Commandment?


165 posted on 07/17/2017 5:59:50 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: ealgeone

I don’t care about the prots translations of the Bible. They been doing it to their whim ever since Luther.


166 posted on 07/17/2017 6:03:55 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: ebb tide
Another FANTASTIC example of the Catholic church mistranslating (ie butchering) Scripture to further it's agenda and support it's doctrine.

The Greek word is NOT *sacrament*. It's *mystery*.

http://biblehub.com/greek/3466.htm

mustérion: a mystery or secret doctrine

Original Word: μυστήριον, ου, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: mustérion
Phonetic Spelling: (moos-tay'-ree-on)
Short Definition: anything hidden, a mystery
Definition: a mystery, secret, of which initiation is necessary; in the NT: the counsels of God, once hidden but now revealed in the Gospel or some fact thereof; the Christian revelation generally; particular truths or details of the Christian revelation.

HELPS Word-studies
3466 mystḗrion (the root of the English term, "mystery") – mystery. In the Bible, a "mystery" (3466 /mystḗrion) is not something unknowable. Rather, it is what can only be known through revelation, i.e. because God reveals it.

167 posted on 07/17/2017 6:06:32 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: metmom; ebb tide

Protestants follow their own man-made traditions, not the Sacred Traditions handed down by the Apostles and preserved by the Holy Spirit.


168 posted on 07/17/2017 6:07:01 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius

Salvation by faith is in Scripture. It’s not a tradition.

I gave you the supporting passages.

Scripture is all that’s needed to make the man of God complete for every good work.

I posted that Scripture, too.


169 posted on 07/17/2017 6:09:02 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: Petrosius
Protestants follow their own man-made traditions, not the Sacred Traditions handed down by the Apostles and preserved by the Holy Spirit.

Prove your traditions were from the apostles and that they were handed down faithfully, having been protected by the Holy Spirit.

Provide the links to document your assertions because your say so isn't enough.

170 posted on 07/17/2017 6:10:38 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: Petrosius

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There are no “Sacred Traditions handed down by the Apostles and preserved by the Holy Spirit.”

Yehova gave us his Torah, and his prophets, and that is all there is.

Yeshua denounced all “traditions” when he was here during his ministry, and declared that Torah is what there is as long as the Earth and the heavens exist. (Matthew 5)


171 posted on 07/17/2017 6:10:57 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: ealgeone

You do know that what the Latin Church calls “sacraments” are referred to by the Greeks as “mysteries.” Since the term “mystery” did not yet exist in Latin, Jerome used the Latin term “sacrament.” Same concept, different words. The seven sacraments of the Latins are the same as the seven mysteries of the Greeks.


172 posted on 07/17/2017 6:13:38 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: ealgeone
Thanks proving the point that Pope Francis is one of you, a protestant.

Pope Francis supports United Bible Societies & Catholic Biblical Federation on ‘Bible and Family’ plans

173 posted on 07/17/2017 6:13:59 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: ebb tide
I don’t care about the prots translations of the Bible. They been doing it to their whim ever since Luther.

It's not a "prot" translation.

The Greek is the Greek.

We haven't even gotten into the context of the sentence yet.

Roman Catholics have goofed up this translation just as they did Genesis 3:15 which has lead to so much false theology.

174 posted on 07/17/2017 6:14:59 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: metmom
Salvation by faith is in Scripture.

Salvation by faith is indeed in Scripture. This is not in dispute. What is not in Scripture is salvation by faith alone. This is an invention of Martin Luther.

175 posted on 07/17/2017 6:16:08 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: ebb tide
Nope....he's your POPE. You HAVE to follow him. You have no choice.

Unam Sanctam.

176 posted on 07/17/2017 6:16:20 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Petrosius
You do know that what the Latin Church calls “sacraments” are referred to by the Greeks as “mysteries.

I know the word in Ephesians 5:32 is not translated as sacrament.

177 posted on 07/17/2017 6:18:48 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: metmom
Prove your traditions were from the apostles and that they were handed down faithfully, having been protected by the Holy Spirit.

All that is need is proof that the present Catholic Church is the same as that established by Jesus Christ. This is an historical fact. No Protestant church, visible or invisible, can make this claim.

178 posted on 07/17/2017 6:19:19 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius

If you don’t have faith in Christ...what else would save you?


179 posted on 07/17/2017 6:19:26 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Petrosius

You state.....”What is not in Scripture is salvation by faith alone.”....

...I will show you my faith by my works, which means I have faith BEFORE I do any works....... Our faith is invisible and can only be expressed outwardly to man by our works. ....This is the point that James emphasized.... we show our faith by our deeds to our fellow man - ‘Not for our salvation’...

Works and deeds..’accompany’ Salvation.....James is ‘not’ explaining how to be saved but is telling them if they are saved they should show it by their works,... understand the difference... good works comes from being ‘in Christ’.... Good works do Not put us in Christ.


180 posted on 07/17/2017 6:25:04 PM PDT by caww
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