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How to Think About Luther?
Crisis Magazine ^ | July 12, 2017 | James Kalb

Posted on 07/12/2017 4:52:31 PM PDT by ebb tide

How to Think About Luther?

James Kalb

Traditionally, Catholics have viewed Luther as a heresiarch, and the Lutheran break from Rome as a religious and civilizational catastrophe. More recently, in line with current ecumenical and pastoral initiatives, that view has softened.

The softening has been quite noticeable during the current pontificate. The pope recently took part in a joint liturgy with the Church of Sweden to commemorate the five hundredth anniversary of Luther’s rebellion. He has also suggested informally that a Lutheran married to a Catholic might legitimately decide to receive communion from a Catholic priest, and that disputes between Catholics and Lutherans over the doctrine of justification, the basic point at issue in Luther’s split with Rome, are now a thing of the past.

More generally, some papal language regarding law and mercy suggests movement away from the Catholic view that grace enables us to overcome our sins toward Luther’s view that it simply frees us from their consequences. Examples include the comment in Amoris Laetitia that

conscience can … recognize with sincerity and honesty what for now is the most generous response which can be given to God, and come to see with a certain moral security that it is what God himself is asking … while yet not fully the objective ideal.

So if you think it’s all you can do, that’s probably all God is looking for. Luther’s pecca fortiter, “sin boldly,” was based on a similar line of thought.

Are these moves in the right direction? The Church is hierarchical, and it is the pope and other clergy who are charged with teaching doctrine and determining appropriate pastoral and ecumenical efforts. Even so, laymen can hardly avoid forming their own views, and many Catholics find that recent ecumenical efforts have done more harm than good, as has a tendency to confuse “pastoral” with “accepting that people do whatever they do.”

Laymen have the right and even obligation to present these concerns. The issues matter a great deal, and not simply for churchly reasons. Our secular authorities are convinced they have the solution to all social and political problems, at least in principle, and can put it into effect through a global managed system that recognizes nothing human outside it, no authoritative God above it, no enduring human nature beneath it, and no significant history behind it other than the history of its own coming into being. Everything is a social construction, and they will do the constructing.

The project is unfounded, overreaching, and destructive, and Catholics should oppose it. But the ecumenical and interfaith movements, along with proposals for loosening sacramental discipline to accept common practices in the name of “accompaniment,” support it by sidelining specific religious principle. They turn it into something like the British monarchy, which lends historical depth and dignity to a modern utilitarian bureaucracy but does not affect its substance. So those who view current political and social trends as anti-Catholic and anti-human have an additional reason for concern regarding ecumenical and pastoral tendencies in the Church that support them.

Concern regarding the changing Catholic attitude toward Luther is all the more justified because he’s the man who initiated the Protestant split from Rome, a fundamental event in the emergence of the modern world, and a variety of liberal and radical movements have claimed him as an inspiration. So if we are troubled by the trend toward a global society organized through and through on wholly secular and increasingly intolerant principles, and want to understand where the trend comes from, we should know something about his thought and deeds and their consequences.

A recently published collection of essays put out by the Roman Forum, an organization founded by Dietrich von Hildebrand, can help. Luther and His Progeny: 500 Years of Protestantism & Its Consequences for Church, State, and Society includes pieces by a dozen European and American scholars of varying backgrounds, each with his own outlook and concerns, but all troubled by the man, the movement he launched, and current efforts to enlist them, along with Catholicism, in a grand scheme of political, social, and religious unification. Each essay is independent of the others, but collectively they cover the basic issues that led Luther to reject the Church, as well as the effects of his rebellion on European thought and society.

Taken together they present the picture of a revolution in religion, politics, law, ethics, economics, and even the natural sciences, the effects of which profoundly shape our present world. At bottom, what seems to have led Luther to break with Rome was his overwhelming sense of guilt over his inability to keep the moral law. He was in a mess, and the Catholic road of humility, penitence, forgiveness, sacrament, grace, and sanctification didn’t seem to be working for him, so he decided that the world itself is one huge irreversible mess. Man is totally depraved, reason a snare, free will an illusion, and the Church can do nothing and so is fundamentally useless. To make matters worse, God himself is willful, incomprehensible, and even self-contradictory, since he is good but makes man incapable of anything but evil.

Under such circumstances what do we do, if it makes sense to ask the question when we have no inclination or ability to think or choose rightly? Basically, Luther’s answer was to rely wholly on the mercy of Christ, who might—or might not—choose to cover up our sins and accept us as justified even though we would inevitably remain as corrupt as ever.

These are not reasonable views. How, for example, is a God worthy of love, worship, and trust who condemns to eternal torment sinners he made incapable of acting otherwise, but then arbitrarily chooses some, who are no better than the others, for forgiveness and eternal bliss? The best that can be done for such views intellectually, one of the essayists suggests, is to view them as a precursor of German idealism, which treats contradiction as fundamental to reality and its dialectical resolution as the basis of the self-construction of the Absolute. At the transcendent level that means, as Luther put it, that “God must first become the devil before he becomes God.” And at the human level, it means faith goes through radically different stages, with the transitions involving overwhelming temptations to unbelief and blasphemy, and ultimate resolution not possible in this world.

Some people think that sort of explanation makes sense, others don’t. A more psychological and likely more comprehensible approach that some have recently proposed is to portray him as a “mystic of mercy,” overwhelmed by the infinitude of divine grace, whose words cannot be taken literally. (Muslims take the same approach with their own mystics, whose words are rarely compatible with orthodox Islam.)

That approach may explain something of the man, but not the movement he started: people don’t look to the incoherent outbursts of mystics for practical tips on the reform of Church, State, and doctrine, but that’s exactly what Luther offered, and what people took from him.

The specifics are complicated. His thought wasn’t coherent, so people took from it what suited them. At bottom, though, denying the practical effectiveness of religion tended strongly to liberate secular affairs from religious concerns, and destroy the authority and the sacramental structure of the Church. And that, it appears, was the reason for the success of his rebellion. By insisting on the irrelevance of divine law to what men actually do, Luther enabled secular powers to shake off the authority of the Church, set themselves up as absolute within their domains, and incidentally enrich themselves and their supporters with the property that an ineffectual Church could no longer justify possessing.

All of which remains relevant today. Secular authorities still don’t like religious limitations, so if a contemporary religious leader wants to exchange scorn for adulation, all he has to do is ignore distinctions, loosen restrictions, and proclaim mercy without penitence or emendation of life. Neither talent, virtue, nor rational coherence is needed, only a willingness to go along in order to get along. And there are many high-ranking churchmen who are eager to accept the deal.

Editor’s note: Pictured above is Pope Francis with the General Secretary of the Lutheran World Federation Rev. Martin Junge (right) and the President of the Lutheran World Federation Bishop Munib Younan (far left) attending an ecumenical prayer service at the Lutheran cathedral in Lund, Sweden, Oct. 31. (Photo credit: CNS photo/Paul Haring)



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Mainline Protestant; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: bergoglio; luther
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To: BipolarBob

>> After 500 years give the door thing a rest. I’m sure some wood putty daubed in and it will hardly be noticeable.<<

Maybe the author of this article can nail the article to the door. It has a protesting type tone. :)


301 posted on 07/13/2017 4:42:37 PM PDT by redleghunter (Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation)
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To: redleghunter
Frank wants you back.

I've never left. It's Francis who has left the house.

302 posted on 07/13/2017 4:48:01 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: HLPhat
Funny how the LCMS "appology" was made in 1983(?) but, between 1983 and 1987, the subject of OTJATL never came up even once in the classrooms, or the dorm rooms, or the locker rooms, or the bar rooms.... where LCMS college students discussed ALL things.

Funny how you could POSSIBLY know what was discussed in every classroom, dorm room, locker room, bar room of every LCMS college students for decades!

I grow weary of trying to reason with someone who seems to want nothing more than to condemn EVERYTHING Luther ever taught because he held to some wrong-headed (for today's society) ideas about Jewish people from 500 years ago. Think what you want, doood! Adios.

303 posted on 07/13/2017 4:49:18 PM PDT by boatbums (The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation, but washes you upon the Rock of Ages.)
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To: ebb tide

Complain all you want, but that’s always how the arguments go.

I point out the rot at the top of the Vatican. I use arguments directly from the Word that demonstrate that Catholicism has it completely wrong in regards to works based salvation.

I never get replies back involving the Word. I never get replies to the plain words of Paul and Jesus himself. I never get comments about what to do about a corrupt and willfully sinful hierarchy.

All I get is exactly what I said when you claim I was taking the Lord’s name in vain.

It’s not in vain when using God’s name, even a phonetic exaggeration, to tell the truth.

Do you care to prove me wrong? Upthread you have already proved me right with your own words. Want to change that?


304 posted on 07/13/2017 5:20:21 PM PDT by Luircin
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To: metmom
You’ll NEVER get a Catholic to admit to hypocrisy to where their church is concerned.

It seems to me that one does this because one's faith is threatened...

305 posted on 07/13/2017 5:46:07 PM PDT by boatbums (The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation, but washes you upon the Rock of Ages.)
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To: metmom; Luircin
hyp·o·crite
[ˈhipəˌkrit]

NOUN
a person who indulges in hypocrisy.

synonyms
pretender · dissembler · deceiver · liar · pietist · sanctimonious person · plaster saint · phony · fraud · sham · fake

306 posted on 07/13/2017 6:06:47 PM PDT by boatbums (The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation, but washes you upon the Rock of Ages.)
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To: boatbums

You’ll NEVER get a Catholic to admit to hypocrisy to where their church is concerned.

It seems to me that one does this because one’s faith is threatened...

***

This is what happens when one’s faith is based on membership in an org instead of in God.


307 posted on 07/13/2017 6:32:14 PM PDT by Luircin
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To: metmom

>> If you think the Catholic church is so right, then you must be pretty happy with the direction he’s taking it in, right?

WRONG! Like you, countless people of all faiths throughout history have failed to understand that the Catholic Church, the Catholic faith, and the Catholic hierarchy (including the Pope) refer to three separate entities, therefore those terms are NOT synonyms.


308 posted on 07/13/2017 6:37:49 PM PDT by fortes fortuna juvat
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To: metmom

>> If you think the Catholic church is so right, then you must be pretty happy with the direction he’s taking it in, right?

WRONG! Like you, countless people of all faiths throughout history have failed to understand that the Catholic Church, the Catholic faith, and the Catholic hierarchy (including the Pope) refer to three separate entities, therefore those terms are NOT synonyms.


309 posted on 07/13/2017 6:40:06 PM PDT by fortes fortuna juvat
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To: redleghunter; ebb tide
Stop being in rebellion to your Pope. Frank wants you back.

St. Thomas Aquinas: It is also shown that to be subject to the Roman Pontiff is necessary for salvation. For Cyril says in his Thesaurus: “Therefore, brethren, if we imitate Christ so as to hear his voice remaining in the Church of Peter and so as not be puffed up by the wind of pride, lest perhaps because of our quarrelling the wily serpent drive us from paradise as once he did Eve.” And Maximus in the letter addressed to the Orientals [Greeks] says: “The Church united and established upon the rock of Peter’s confession we call according to the decree of the Savior the universal Church, wherein we must remain for the salvation of our souls and wherein loyal to his faith and confession we must obey him.” — St. Thomas Aquinas, Against the Errors of the Greeks, Pt. 2, ch. 36
http://dhspriory.org/thomas/ContraErrGraecorum.htm#b38

Pope Boniface VIII, Unam Sanctam: (Promulgated November 18, 1302) “We declare, say, define, and pronounce [ex cathedra] that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.”

"If, therefore, the Greeks or others say that they are not committed to Peter and to his successors, they necessarily say that they are not of the sheep of Christ, since the Lord says that there is only one fold and one shepherd (Jn.10:16). Whoever, therefore, resists this authority, resists the command of God Himself. " — Pope Boniface VIII, Unam Sanctam (Promulgated November 18, 1302)
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/b8-unam.html

Not being in subjection to the pope is NOT an option for the Catholic.

310 posted on 07/13/2017 6:41:28 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: ebb tide; redleghunter
I've never left. It's Francis who has left the house.

How is that for you to decide?

The college of cardinals elected him pope.

What qualifies you to not accept that decision?

311 posted on 07/13/2017 6:43:46 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: metmom

There’s been more than one pope. I’m a willing subject to the Catholic popes.


312 posted on 07/13/2017 6:43:55 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: Elsie

>>Mighty bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!

I don’t recall having ever met you, so who told you I am a one-eyed fat man? Have you seen me somewhere?


313 posted on 07/13/2017 6:45:11 PM PDT by fortes fortuna juvat
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To: metmom

I accept that decision, although I’m saddened by it.


314 posted on 07/13/2017 6:46:02 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: fortes fortuna juvat
St. Thomas Aquinas: It is also shown that to be subject to the Roman Pontiff is necessary for salvation. For Cyril says in his Thesaurus: “Therefore, brethren, if we imitate Christ so as to hear his voice remaining in the Church of Peter and so as not be puffed up by the wind of pride, lest perhaps because of our quarrelling the wily serpent drive us from paradise as once he did Eve.” And Maximus in the letter addressed to the Orientals [Greeks] says: “The Church united and established upon the rock of Peter’s confession we call according to the decree of the Savior the universal Church, wherein we must remain for the salvation of our souls and wherein loyal to his faith and confession we must obey him.” — St. Thomas Aquinas, Against the Errors of the Greeks, Pt. 2, ch. 36
http://dhspriory.org/thomas/ContraErrGraecorum.htm#b38

Pope Boniface VIII, Unam Sanctam: (Promulgated November 18, 1302) “We declare, say, define, and pronounce [ex cathedra] that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.”

"If, therefore, the Greeks or others say that they are not committed to Peter and to his successors, they necessarily say that they are not of the sheep of Christ, since the Lord says that there is only one fold and one shepherd (Jn.10:16). Whoever, therefore, resists this authority, resists the command of God Himself. " — Pope Boniface VIII, Unam Sanctam (Promulgated November 18, 1302)
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/b8-unam.html

You MUST be in subjection to your pope or risk your salvation.

You have no choice in the matter.

315 posted on 07/13/2017 6:47:28 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: Elsie

>>Though I’ve yet to see any actual EVIDENCE.

Neither have I, but whether he nailed his proclamation on the church door or hand delivered seems a rather a trivial matter.


316 posted on 07/13/2017 6:51:11 PM PDT by fortes fortuna juvat
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To: ebb tide

So does that mean you’re in subjection to Pope Francis?


317 posted on 07/13/2017 7:00:16 PM PDT by Luircin
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To: boatbums

>>every LCMS college students for decades!

Was 1983 and 1987 “decades”?

Nope. But that’s when I, and my wife, and our friends, were in those classrooms, and dorm rooms, and locker rooms, and bar room.

Evidently reading comprehension isn’t your forte.


318 posted on 07/13/2017 7:26:52 PM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: metmom

>>You MUST be in subjection to your pope or risk your salvation.

You have no choice in the matter.

Depends on how one defines the relevant terms and the conditions and circumstances prevailing in relation to those terms. And the statements you’ve cited have always been subject to interpretation as well.


319 posted on 07/13/2017 7:31:56 PM PDT by fortes fortuna juvat
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To: fortes fortuna juvat
Depends on how one defines the relevant terms and the conditions and circumstances prevailing in relation to those terms. And the statements you’ve cited have always been subject to interpretation as well.

So you're operating on your own personal interpretation of.....what?

Scripture?

The Catechism?

The writings of the ECF's?

The interpretation of Pope Boniface VIII's, Bull Unam sanctam?

And what qualifies you to correctly interpret it?

320 posted on 07/13/2017 7:36:36 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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