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How to Think About Luther?
Crisis Magazine ^ | July 12, 2017 | James Kalb

Posted on 07/12/2017 4:52:31 PM PDT by ebb tide

How to Think About Luther?

James Kalb

Traditionally, Catholics have viewed Luther as a heresiarch, and the Lutheran break from Rome as a religious and civilizational catastrophe. More recently, in line with current ecumenical and pastoral initiatives, that view has softened.

The softening has been quite noticeable during the current pontificate. The pope recently took part in a joint liturgy with the Church of Sweden to commemorate the five hundredth anniversary of Luther’s rebellion. He has also suggested informally that a Lutheran married to a Catholic might legitimately decide to receive communion from a Catholic priest, and that disputes between Catholics and Lutherans over the doctrine of justification, the basic point at issue in Luther’s split with Rome, are now a thing of the past.

More generally, some papal language regarding law and mercy suggests movement away from the Catholic view that grace enables us to overcome our sins toward Luther’s view that it simply frees us from their consequences. Examples include the comment in Amoris Laetitia that

conscience can … recognize with sincerity and honesty what for now is the most generous response which can be given to God, and come to see with a certain moral security that it is what God himself is asking … while yet not fully the objective ideal.

So if you think it’s all you can do, that’s probably all God is looking for. Luther’s pecca fortiter, “sin boldly,” was based on a similar line of thought.

Are these moves in the right direction? The Church is hierarchical, and it is the pope and other clergy who are charged with teaching doctrine and determining appropriate pastoral and ecumenical efforts. Even so, laymen can hardly avoid forming their own views, and many Catholics find that recent ecumenical efforts have done more harm than good, as has a tendency to confuse “pastoral” with “accepting that people do whatever they do.”

Laymen have the right and even obligation to present these concerns. The issues matter a great deal, and not simply for churchly reasons. Our secular authorities are convinced they have the solution to all social and political problems, at least in principle, and can put it into effect through a global managed system that recognizes nothing human outside it, no authoritative God above it, no enduring human nature beneath it, and no significant history behind it other than the history of its own coming into being. Everything is a social construction, and they will do the constructing.

The project is unfounded, overreaching, and destructive, and Catholics should oppose it. But the ecumenical and interfaith movements, along with proposals for loosening sacramental discipline to accept common practices in the name of “accompaniment,” support it by sidelining specific religious principle. They turn it into something like the British monarchy, which lends historical depth and dignity to a modern utilitarian bureaucracy but does not affect its substance. So those who view current political and social trends as anti-Catholic and anti-human have an additional reason for concern regarding ecumenical and pastoral tendencies in the Church that support them.

Concern regarding the changing Catholic attitude toward Luther is all the more justified because he’s the man who initiated the Protestant split from Rome, a fundamental event in the emergence of the modern world, and a variety of liberal and radical movements have claimed him as an inspiration. So if we are troubled by the trend toward a global society organized through and through on wholly secular and increasingly intolerant principles, and want to understand where the trend comes from, we should know something about his thought and deeds and their consequences.

A recently published collection of essays put out by the Roman Forum, an organization founded by Dietrich von Hildebrand, can help. Luther and His Progeny: 500 Years of Protestantism & Its Consequences for Church, State, and Society includes pieces by a dozen European and American scholars of varying backgrounds, each with his own outlook and concerns, but all troubled by the man, the movement he launched, and current efforts to enlist them, along with Catholicism, in a grand scheme of political, social, and religious unification. Each essay is independent of the others, but collectively they cover the basic issues that led Luther to reject the Church, as well as the effects of his rebellion on European thought and society.

Taken together they present the picture of a revolution in religion, politics, law, ethics, economics, and even the natural sciences, the effects of which profoundly shape our present world. At bottom, what seems to have led Luther to break with Rome was his overwhelming sense of guilt over his inability to keep the moral law. He was in a mess, and the Catholic road of humility, penitence, forgiveness, sacrament, grace, and sanctification didn’t seem to be working for him, so he decided that the world itself is one huge irreversible mess. Man is totally depraved, reason a snare, free will an illusion, and the Church can do nothing and so is fundamentally useless. To make matters worse, God himself is willful, incomprehensible, and even self-contradictory, since he is good but makes man incapable of anything but evil.

Under such circumstances what do we do, if it makes sense to ask the question when we have no inclination or ability to think or choose rightly? Basically, Luther’s answer was to rely wholly on the mercy of Christ, who might—or might not—choose to cover up our sins and accept us as justified even though we would inevitably remain as corrupt as ever.

These are not reasonable views. How, for example, is a God worthy of love, worship, and trust who condemns to eternal torment sinners he made incapable of acting otherwise, but then arbitrarily chooses some, who are no better than the others, for forgiveness and eternal bliss? The best that can be done for such views intellectually, one of the essayists suggests, is to view them as a precursor of German idealism, which treats contradiction as fundamental to reality and its dialectical resolution as the basis of the self-construction of the Absolute. At the transcendent level that means, as Luther put it, that “God must first become the devil before he becomes God.” And at the human level, it means faith goes through radically different stages, with the transitions involving overwhelming temptations to unbelief and blasphemy, and ultimate resolution not possible in this world.

Some people think that sort of explanation makes sense, others don’t. A more psychological and likely more comprehensible approach that some have recently proposed is to portray him as a “mystic of mercy,” overwhelmed by the infinitude of divine grace, whose words cannot be taken literally. (Muslims take the same approach with their own mystics, whose words are rarely compatible with orthodox Islam.)

That approach may explain something of the man, but not the movement he started: people don’t look to the incoherent outbursts of mystics for practical tips on the reform of Church, State, and doctrine, but that’s exactly what Luther offered, and what people took from him.

The specifics are complicated. His thought wasn’t coherent, so people took from it what suited them. At bottom, though, denying the practical effectiveness of religion tended strongly to liberate secular affairs from religious concerns, and destroy the authority and the sacramental structure of the Church. And that, it appears, was the reason for the success of his rebellion. By insisting on the irrelevance of divine law to what men actually do, Luther enabled secular powers to shake off the authority of the Church, set themselves up as absolute within their domains, and incidentally enrich themselves and their supporters with the property that an ineffectual Church could no longer justify possessing.

All of which remains relevant today. Secular authorities still don’t like religious limitations, so if a contemporary religious leader wants to exchange scorn for adulation, all he has to do is ignore distinctions, loosen restrictions, and proclaim mercy without penitence or emendation of life. Neither talent, virtue, nor rational coherence is needed, only a willingness to go along in order to get along. And there are many high-ranking churchmen who are eager to accept the deal.

Editor’s note: Pictured above is Pope Francis with the General Secretary of the Lutheran World Federation Rev. Martin Junge (right) and the President of the Lutheran World Federation Bishop Munib Younan (far left) attending an ecumenical prayer service at the Lutheran cathedral in Lund, Sweden, Oct. 31. (Photo credit: CNS photo/Paul Haring)



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Mainline Protestant; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: bergoglio; luther
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To: HLPhat
Meanwhile, Luther wrote what he wrote - and the LCMS’ curricular purview is what it is, as they ICONify the drunken anti-Semite.

I'm amazed (though I should not be with the example of the Pharisees and Sadducees) when one professes to believe in God, claims to believe and follow the Bible as the rule of faith and doctrine, and publicly defends Martin Luther once they know of his antisemitic views.

It seems to me that one does this because one's faith is threatened; if Luther was not saved then his whole doctrinal paradigm is in doubt; so one willingly and willfully chooses to defend Luther. It reminds me of one arguing that Esau should have inherited the blessing instead of Jacob. One cannot follow the LORD God of Israel and a false prophet. It is not as if the Messiah did not warn over and over again.

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

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Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord: Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled; Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright. For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.

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Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning. Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth. He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now. He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him. But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.


Matthew, Catholic chapter seven, Protestant verses fifteen to twenty seven

Hebrews, Catholic chapter twelve, Protestant verses fourteen to seventeen

First John, Catholic chapter two, Protestant verses seven to eleven

as authorized, but not authored, by King James

221 posted on 07/13/2017 5:07:25 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: HLPhat
Who’s inertial frame did each of those 6 days transpire in - and how long was a day, in it?

You're not much on reading the Bible, I see. The inertial frame would have been God's. A yom was as a thousand years and a thousand years as a day. That is the only answer from a Biblical context.

222 posted on 07/13/2017 5:11:03 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: metmom
And it’s YOUR church that’s celebrating Luther.

I think this is why we're seeing so many "Luther" threads. I joined at the time Francis was elected. Were there as many Luther threads before then?

223 posted on 07/13/2017 5:12:41 AM PDT by piusv (Pray for a return to the pre-Vatican II (Catholic) Faith)
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To: Elsie

Pretty much. And, unlike most of the LCMS’ schools - our unified body is still intact.

Funny how having a mutual respect for the truth can have that effect, or not.


224 posted on 07/13/2017 5:16:57 AM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: af_vet_1981
I'm amazed (though I should not be with the example of the Pharisees and Sadducees) when one professes to believe in God, claims to believe and follow the Bible as the rule of faith and doctrine, and publicly defends Martin Luther once they know of his antisemitic views.

You're Roman Catholic, correct? I've got to say I'm amazed that a Roman Catholic can say this with a straight face after what various Popes have essentially decreed over the centuries, as actual doctrine, and the faithful have executed with oftentimes quite literal executions of Jews.

Luther did not spring from virgin ground and just "decide" to be antisemitic. His world, the Roman Catholic world, was rife with antisemitism, as it had been for most of it's history.

I just don't understand the level of denial required to be able to state this about Martin Luther while failing to grasp what your own church decreed, and actually acted upon for centuries.

No, it's not just amazing, it's incredible. Can you claim that you just have not been taught this history i.e. yours is invincible ignorance, or is this willful, i.e. vincible ignorance?

225 posted on 07/13/2017 5:21:28 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry
>>You're not much on reading the Bible, I see.

Oh you see do you.

Was the king of Tyre literally in the Garden of Eden?

>>The inertial frame would have been God's.

And how long ago was each of those "24 hour literal days" in the context of celestial bodies we can see today, like...

"FUZZY WUZZY GALAXY

Relatively short arms of gas and dust lend a woolly appearance to the spiral galaxy known as NGC 2841. The galaxy lies about 46 million light-years from Earth in the constellation Ursa Major, the Great Bear. NGC 2841 is unusual because its tightly curled arms display a relatively low rate of star formation compared with other spiral galaxies."

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/03/150316-50-great-images-from-the-hubble-space-telescope/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=SocialAds&utm_content=link_fb20170406-hubble-images-50-adv&utm_campaign=content-ads-lg&kwp_0=448866&kwp_4=1645410&kwp_1=707580

light year
ˈlīt ˈˌyi(ə)r/
noun
ASTRONOMY
  1. a unit of astronomical distance equivalent to the distance that light travels in one year, which is 9.4607 × 1012 km (nearly 6 trillion miles).

?

226 posted on 07/13/2017 5:24:20 AM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: HLPhat

You continually place current scientific understanding in a position of superiority to Christian belief and scripture, HLPhat. I’ve now sadly concluded that you are not a man of faith, and if you’re actually any sort of Christian at all rather than just a ringer from Darwin Central, you’re only a nominal Christian, “spiritual but not religious.” Come to think of it, attacking as you have as a lapsed, bitter conservative LCMS Lutheran actually is quite clever, this enables you to not just play both sides of the Protestant/Catholic fence but also attack both sides of the fence here on the Free Republic Religion Forum.

I’m done with this. Go preach your religion, of abstract deity if any deity at all with the ever-changing suppositions and theories of science as sacrosanct, somewhere else. It’s not as if we’re not bombarded daily so I fail to grasp your proselytizing zeal.


227 posted on 07/13/2017 5:32:34 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: af_vet_1981
>>It seems to me that one does this because one's faith is threatened;

"Faith" built upon man-made dogma?

Romans 1:25-26
25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator — who is forever praised. Amen.
26 Because of this, God gave them over...

Is dogma what they're really worshiping when they do that?

Ask Gallileo and Giordano Bruno what happens when it becomes self-evident that Natural Law contradicts man-made dogma.

228 posted on 07/13/2017 5:34:28 AM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: RegulatorCountry; HLPhat

I am really confused. Perhaps it’s because I am not reading closely enough, but I can’t tell if HLPhat is Catholic or not. I see him arguing with non-Catholics, but I am confused.


229 posted on 07/13/2017 5:35:55 AM PDT by piusv (Pray for a return to the pre-Vatican II (Catholic) Faith)
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To: piusv; HLPhat

I’ve concluded that he’s neither.


230 posted on 07/13/2017 5:36:58 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry
>>You continually place current scientific understanding in a position of superiority to Christian belief and scripture, HLPhat

You continually assume dominion over the faith of others with your fallible and uninspired opinion on what constitutes "Christian belief", I see.

That's as self-evident as Fuzzy Wuzzy,  46 million light-years from Earth.

Was the literal King of Tyre literally in the literal garden of Eden...

Ezek 28:11-13

11 The word of the Lord came to me: 12 "Son of man, take up a lament concerning the king of Tyre and say to him: 'This is what the Sovereign Lord says:

"'You were the model of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.

13 You were in Eden, the garden of God;
NIV

...or...

Gen 3:23-24

23 So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. 24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east sidee of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.
NIV

...not?

231 posted on 07/13/2017 5:45:30 AM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: HLPhat

Some of us are able to log in at DC, dolt.


232 posted on 07/13/2017 5:47:08 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry
>>I’m done with this

Have you noticed the cultural effect is the same regardless of whether the schism with reality is manufacture by popular consensus or by religious dogma?
 
psy·cho·sis
sīˈkōsəs/
noun
  1. a severe mental disorder in which thought and emotions are so impaired that contact is lost with external reality.
"According to my opinion, and the opinions of many defectors of my caliber, only about 15% of time, money, and manpower is spent on espionage as such. The other 85% is a slow process which we call either ideological subversion, active measures, or psychological warfare. What it basically means is: to change the perception of reality of every American that despite of the abundance of information no one is able to come to sensible conclusions in the interest of defending themselves, their families, their community, and their country.
 
It's a great brainwashing process which goes very slow and is divided into four basic stages.
 
The first stage being "demoralization". It takes from 15 to 20 years to demoralize a nation. Why that many years? Because this is the minimum number of years required to educate one generation of students in the country of your enemy exposed to the ideology of [their] enemy. In other words, Marxism-Leninism ideology is being pumped into the soft heads of at least 3 generation of American students without being challenged or counterbalanced by the basic values of Americanism; American patriotism.
 
Most of the activity of the department [KGB] was to compile huge amount / volume of information, on individuals who were instrumental in creating public opinion.  Publisher, editors, journalists, uh actors, educationalists, professors of political science.  Members of parliament, representatives of business circles. 
 
Most of these people were divided roughly into two groups:  those who would tow the Soviet foreign policy, they would be promoted to positions of power through media and public manipulation;  [and] those who refuse the Soviet influence in their own country would be character assassinated OR executed physically, come Revolution.  "
--KGB Defector Yuri Bezmenov
--Soviet Subversion of the Free Press (Ideological subversion, Destabilization, CRISIS - and the KGB)
 

233 posted on 07/13/2017 5:50:40 AM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: RegulatorCountry
>>Some of us are able to log in at DC, dolt.

Tsk Tsk.  Professor Ad Hominem.

Was the literal King of Tyre literally in the literal garden of Eden...

Ezek 28:11-13

11 The word of the Lord came to me: 12 "Son of man, take up a lament concerning the king of Tyre and say to him: 'This is what the Sovereign Lord says:

"'You were the model of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.

13 You were in Eden, the garden of God;
NIV

...or...

Gen 3:23-24

23 So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. 24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east sidee of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.
NIV

...not?

234 posted on 07/13/2017 5:54:02 AM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: HLPhat

Start an atheist caucus thread, pretender.


235 posted on 07/13/2017 5:56:02 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry; piusv
I’ve concluded that he’s neither.
 
Fallilble, Uninspired, and Opinionated much?


"...who, being themselves but fallible and uninspired men, have assumed dominion over the faith of others, setting up their own opinions and modes of thinking as the only true and infallible, and as such endeavoring to impose them on others, hath established and maintained false religions over the greatest part of the world, and through all time;
 
...
 
 that it is time enough for the rightful purposes of civil government, for its officers to interfere when principles break out into overt acts against peace and good order; and finally, that truth is great and will prevail if left to herself, that she is the proper and sufficient antagonist to error, and has nothing to fear from the conflict, unless by human interposition disarmed of her natural weapons, free argument and debate, errors ceasing to be dangerous when it is permitted freely to contradict them. "
 
"I HAVE SWORN UPON THE ALTAR OF GOD ETERNAL HOSTILITY TO EVERY FORM OF TYRANNY OVER THE MIND OF MAN"
--The Virginia Act For Establishing Religious Freedom
--Thomas Jefferson, 1786
 

236 posted on 07/13/2017 5:56:48 AM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: RegulatorCountry
>>Start an atheist caucus thread, pretender.

I'm not an atheist.

I simply prefer to seek the truth with the eyes and free mind God gave me; instead of regurgitating dogma as mandated by boat anchor wearing parrots who lie and conceal.

Seems that was what Thomas Jefferson and Co. had in mind, too:

"EDUCATE THE COMMON PEOPLE"


237 posted on 07/13/2017 6:03:49 AM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: RegulatorCountry

P.S.

The Virginia Act - that wasn’t in the LCMS curriculum either.

Imagine that!


238 posted on 07/13/2017 6:07:07 AM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: HLPhat

Is that all you have to refute what he said?

Can you show us where he’s wrong?

And it would help if you had a PhD in astrophysics to give yourself some credibility.


239 posted on 07/13/2017 6:09:58 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: RegulatorCountry

You’ll NEVER get a Catholic to admit to hypocrisy to where their church is concerned.


240 posted on 07/13/2017 6:11:10 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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