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How to Think About Luther?
Crisis Magazine ^ | July 12, 2017 | James Kalb

Posted on 07/12/2017 4:52:31 PM PDT by ebb tide

How to Think About Luther?

James Kalb

Traditionally, Catholics have viewed Luther as a heresiarch, and the Lutheran break from Rome as a religious and civilizational catastrophe. More recently, in line with current ecumenical and pastoral initiatives, that view has softened.

The softening has been quite noticeable during the current pontificate. The pope recently took part in a joint liturgy with the Church of Sweden to commemorate the five hundredth anniversary of Luther’s rebellion. He has also suggested informally that a Lutheran married to a Catholic might legitimately decide to receive communion from a Catholic priest, and that disputes between Catholics and Lutherans over the doctrine of justification, the basic point at issue in Luther’s split with Rome, are now a thing of the past.

More generally, some papal language regarding law and mercy suggests movement away from the Catholic view that grace enables us to overcome our sins toward Luther’s view that it simply frees us from their consequences. Examples include the comment in Amoris Laetitia that

conscience can … recognize with sincerity and honesty what for now is the most generous response which can be given to God, and come to see with a certain moral security that it is what God himself is asking … while yet not fully the objective ideal.

So if you think it’s all you can do, that’s probably all God is looking for. Luther’s pecca fortiter, “sin boldly,” was based on a similar line of thought.

Are these moves in the right direction? The Church is hierarchical, and it is the pope and other clergy who are charged with teaching doctrine and determining appropriate pastoral and ecumenical efforts. Even so, laymen can hardly avoid forming their own views, and many Catholics find that recent ecumenical efforts have done more harm than good, as has a tendency to confuse “pastoral” with “accepting that people do whatever they do.”

Laymen have the right and even obligation to present these concerns. The issues matter a great deal, and not simply for churchly reasons. Our secular authorities are convinced they have the solution to all social and political problems, at least in principle, and can put it into effect through a global managed system that recognizes nothing human outside it, no authoritative God above it, no enduring human nature beneath it, and no significant history behind it other than the history of its own coming into being. Everything is a social construction, and they will do the constructing.

The project is unfounded, overreaching, and destructive, and Catholics should oppose it. But the ecumenical and interfaith movements, along with proposals for loosening sacramental discipline to accept common practices in the name of “accompaniment,” support it by sidelining specific religious principle. They turn it into something like the British monarchy, which lends historical depth and dignity to a modern utilitarian bureaucracy but does not affect its substance. So those who view current political and social trends as anti-Catholic and anti-human have an additional reason for concern regarding ecumenical and pastoral tendencies in the Church that support them.

Concern regarding the changing Catholic attitude toward Luther is all the more justified because he’s the man who initiated the Protestant split from Rome, a fundamental event in the emergence of the modern world, and a variety of liberal and radical movements have claimed him as an inspiration. So if we are troubled by the trend toward a global society organized through and through on wholly secular and increasingly intolerant principles, and want to understand where the trend comes from, we should know something about his thought and deeds and their consequences.

A recently published collection of essays put out by the Roman Forum, an organization founded by Dietrich von Hildebrand, can help. Luther and His Progeny: 500 Years of Protestantism & Its Consequences for Church, State, and Society includes pieces by a dozen European and American scholars of varying backgrounds, each with his own outlook and concerns, but all troubled by the man, the movement he launched, and current efforts to enlist them, along with Catholicism, in a grand scheme of political, social, and religious unification. Each essay is independent of the others, but collectively they cover the basic issues that led Luther to reject the Church, as well as the effects of his rebellion on European thought and society.

Taken together they present the picture of a revolution in religion, politics, law, ethics, economics, and even the natural sciences, the effects of which profoundly shape our present world. At bottom, what seems to have led Luther to break with Rome was his overwhelming sense of guilt over his inability to keep the moral law. He was in a mess, and the Catholic road of humility, penitence, forgiveness, sacrament, grace, and sanctification didn’t seem to be working for him, so he decided that the world itself is one huge irreversible mess. Man is totally depraved, reason a snare, free will an illusion, and the Church can do nothing and so is fundamentally useless. To make matters worse, God himself is willful, incomprehensible, and even self-contradictory, since he is good but makes man incapable of anything but evil.

Under such circumstances what do we do, if it makes sense to ask the question when we have no inclination or ability to think or choose rightly? Basically, Luther’s answer was to rely wholly on the mercy of Christ, who might—or might not—choose to cover up our sins and accept us as justified even though we would inevitably remain as corrupt as ever.

These are not reasonable views. How, for example, is a God worthy of love, worship, and trust who condemns to eternal torment sinners he made incapable of acting otherwise, but then arbitrarily chooses some, who are no better than the others, for forgiveness and eternal bliss? The best that can be done for such views intellectually, one of the essayists suggests, is to view them as a precursor of German idealism, which treats contradiction as fundamental to reality and its dialectical resolution as the basis of the self-construction of the Absolute. At the transcendent level that means, as Luther put it, that “God must first become the devil before he becomes God.” And at the human level, it means faith goes through radically different stages, with the transitions involving overwhelming temptations to unbelief and blasphemy, and ultimate resolution not possible in this world.

Some people think that sort of explanation makes sense, others don’t. A more psychological and likely more comprehensible approach that some have recently proposed is to portray him as a “mystic of mercy,” overwhelmed by the infinitude of divine grace, whose words cannot be taken literally. (Muslims take the same approach with their own mystics, whose words are rarely compatible with orthodox Islam.)

That approach may explain something of the man, but not the movement he started: people don’t look to the incoherent outbursts of mystics for practical tips on the reform of Church, State, and doctrine, but that’s exactly what Luther offered, and what people took from him.

The specifics are complicated. His thought wasn’t coherent, so people took from it what suited them. At bottom, though, denying the practical effectiveness of religion tended strongly to liberate secular affairs from religious concerns, and destroy the authority and the sacramental structure of the Church. And that, it appears, was the reason for the success of his rebellion. By insisting on the irrelevance of divine law to what men actually do, Luther enabled secular powers to shake off the authority of the Church, set themselves up as absolute within their domains, and incidentally enrich themselves and their supporters with the property that an ineffectual Church could no longer justify possessing.

All of which remains relevant today. Secular authorities still don’t like religious limitations, so if a contemporary religious leader wants to exchange scorn for adulation, all he has to do is ignore distinctions, loosen restrictions, and proclaim mercy without penitence or emendation of life. Neither talent, virtue, nor rational coherence is needed, only a willingness to go along in order to get along. And there are many high-ranking churchmen who are eager to accept the deal.

Editor’s note: Pictured above is Pope Francis with the General Secretary of the Lutheran World Federation Rev. Martin Junge (right) and the President of the Lutheran World Federation Bishop Munib Younan (far left) attending an ecumenical prayer service at the Lutheran cathedral in Lund, Sweden, Oct. 31. (Photo credit: CNS photo/Paul Haring)



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Mainline Protestant; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: bergoglio; luther
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To: metmom
>>>>HLPHAT: Is the time dilation predicted by Special and General Relativity incorporated into GPS systems?

>>METMOM: It doesn't need to be.

"To achieve this level of precision, the clock ticks from the GPS satellites must be known to an accuracy of 20-30 nanoseconds. However, because the satellites are constantly moving relative to observers on the Earth, effects predicted by the Special and General theories of Relativity must be taken into account to achieve the desired 20-30 nanosecond accuracy.

Because an observer on the ground sees the satellites in motion relative to them, Special Relativity predicts that we should see their clocks ticking more slowly (see the Special Relativity lecture). Special Relativity predicts that the on-board atomic clocks on the satellites should fall behind clocks on the ground by about 7 microseconds per day because of the slower ticking rate due to the time dilation effect of their relative motion [2]."

http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/Ast162/Unit5/gps.html

>>Why are you deflecting instead of addressing the topic?

The Topic is Lutheran Dogma.

That would include the LCMS' dogmatic opinions regarding 24 hour, 6 day literalism - and defending, or refuting, those fallible and uninspired opinions in the context of the verified reality of relativistic time dilation.

That would also include...

XX + XX = FAIL

XY + XY = FAIL

XX + XY = Human

Pity all those children today, who can't figure out what sex they are... weren't the taught the available models and allowed to decide the Truth for themselves.

{ golf clap for LCMS dogmatic, fallible and uninspired, opinions }

261 posted on 07/13/2017 6:59:45 AM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: Arthur McGowan; metmom

“I do know that she is on every thread related to Catholicism (except caucus threads) with lying, snarky, bitter attacks on (her cartoon version of) Catholicism.”

I’ve never seen metmom lie.

Please post one of her alleged “lies” and let’s examine it Arthur.


262 posted on 07/13/2017 7:16:54 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: aMorePerfectUnion; Arthur McGowan; metmom
>>I’ve never seen metmom lie.

>>>>HLPHAT: Is the time dilation predicted by Special and General Relativity incorporated into GPS systems?

>>METMOM: It doesn't need to be.

https://freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3568750/posts?page=261#261


Maybe she'd like to tell the class how her implementation of GPS doesn't need to adjust for relativistic effects upon time to obtain the accuracy necessary to guide cruise missiles?

263 posted on 07/13/2017 7:23:40 AM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: xkaydet65

And yet, done with Papal approval, as were all the others.

Oh, and the Muenster revolt WASN’T royal?

It was the Anabaptists trying to overthrow a government, and the government responded.


264 posted on 07/13/2017 7:47:05 AM PDT by Luircin
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To: HLPhat; metmom

Just ignore the troll. He’s an ex-Christian with an axe to grind and a big load of copy-paste talking points.


265 posted on 07/13/2017 7:48:46 AM PDT by Luircin
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To: HLPhat
Maybe she'd like to tell the class how her implementation of GPS doesn't need to adjust for relativistic effects upon time to obtain the accuracy necessary to guide cruise missiles?

Pretty sure the thread is about Luther and the Catholic Church...

Keep trying. If you can work in another round of "fart" posts (an apparent passion of whoever is doing the posting on your FR account) so much the better.

266 posted on 07/13/2017 7:57:08 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Steelfish

Actually Luther saved many from being lead down the path of error by the RCs but this thread is just flame bait and tiresome. You Catholics like to pick fights them claim victim status when you get what you were angling for. It would be cute if it wasn’t so obnoxious


267 posted on 07/13/2017 8:02:41 AM PDT by Mom MD ( .)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

>>Pretty sure the thread is about Luther and the Catholic Church...

It’s about dogmatic world views and those who worship them in the process of assuming dominion over the faith of others.

{ golf clap }


268 posted on 07/13/2017 8:05:34 AM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: Luircin; metmom
>>He’s an ex-Christian

Says the fallible, uninspired, and opinionated dogmatist who assumes dominion over the faith of others.

Is that your called vocation, or just an avocational hobby?

 

Meanwhile, in reality land (beyond the vestigial Roman borders of Saint LouISIS)...

Given that Time is a derivative function of state change that progresses

relative to E within the inertial frame(s) in which it is observed.

What happens to T as E approaches infinity and how long would a “day”, or an “hour”, or... [insert unit of time measurement here] - be in that context?

269 posted on 07/13/2017 8:14:18 AM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: HLPhat

We don’t need to be concerned with time dilation because we don’t operate in a system where it’s necessary.

We aren’t even close to traveling at those kinds of speeds. When it’s necessary, then we can worry about having it programmed into someone’s GPS.

PS, you don’t need to pretend to lecture me on relativity.

I understand it just fine. Physics runs strong in this family.


270 posted on 07/13/2017 8:19:46 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: HLPhat; aMorePerfectUnion

Physician, heal thyself.


271 posted on 07/13/2017 8:21:59 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: metmom
>>We don’t need to be concerned with time dilation because we don’t operate in a system where it’s necessary.

Meanwhile, in reality land...

"To achieve this level of precision, the clock ticks from the GPS satellites must be known to an accuracy of 20-30 nanoseconds. However, because the satellites are constantly moving relative to observers on the Earth, effects predicted by the Special and General theories of Relativity must be taken into account to achieve the desired 20-30 nanosecond accuracy.

Because an observer on the ground sees the satellites in motion relative to them, Special Relativity predicts that we should see their clocks ticking more slowly (see the Special Relativity lecture). Special Relativity predicts that the on-board atomic clocks on the satellites should fall behind clocks on the ground by about 7 microseconds per day because of the slower ticking rate due to the time dilation effect of their relative motion [2]."

http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/Ast162/Unit5/gps.html

>>Physics runs strong in this family.

LOL. 

Sort of like families in which computer science and "achitecture" runs strong (and whose craftsmanship required salvage).

Funny how their strong stream of whatever didn't seem to impress the compiler and OS which refused to magicially transform their buzzwords and "achitectural" bullshyte into functional practical solutions in the real world.

272 posted on 07/13/2017 8:34:56 AM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: metmom
>>Physician, heal thyself.
 
That reminds me of a 24x6 Literalist I saw teach a "bible" class on Creation a few years ago.   A highlight of that class was his ignoring the observations of  professional geologist (IIRC she was in the petro chem business) regarding local formations in deference to his sparkplug fossilizing "opinion".
 
 Sadly his dysfunctional world view didn't seem to be beneficial for His daughter --- who was in an insane asylum..
 
Evidently it doesn't matter, from a strategic perspecitive, whether the break with reality is manufactured by popular culture - or by religiously dogmatic regurgitation.
 
psy·cho·sis
sīˈkōsəs/
noun
  1. a severe mental disorder in which thought and emotions are so impaired that contact is lost with external reality.
"According to my opinion, and the opinions of many defectors of my caliber, only about 15% of time, money, and manpower is spent on espionage as such. The other 85% is a slow process which we call either ideological subversion, active measures, or psychological warfare. What it basically means is: to change the perception of reality of every American that despite of the abundance of information no one is able to come to sensible conclusions in the interest of defending themselves, their families, their community, and their country.
 
It's a great brainwashing process which goes very slow and is divided into four basic stages.
 
The first stage being "demoralization". It takes from 15 to 20 years to demoralize a nation. Why that many years? Because this is the minimum number of years required to educate one generation of students in the country of your enemy exposed to the ideology of [their] enemy. In other words, Marxism-Leninism ideology is being pumped into the soft heads of at least 3 generation of American students without being challenged or counterbalanced by the basic values of Americanism; American patriotism.
 
Most of the activity of the department [KGB] was to compile huge amount / volume of information, on individuals who were instrumental in creating public opinion.  Publisher, editors, journalists, uh actors, educationalists, professors of political science.  Members of parliament, representatives of business circles. 
 
Most of these people were divided roughly into two groups:  those who would tow the Soviet foreign policy, they would be promoted to positions of power through media and public manipulation;  [and] those who refuse the Soviet influence in their own country would be character assassinated OR executed physically, come Revolution.  "
--KGB Defector Yuri Bezmenov
--Soviet Subversion of the Free Press (Ideological subversion, Destabilization, CRISIS - and the KGB)

{ golf clap }
273 posted on 07/13/2017 8:45:43 AM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: Steelfish
Don’t confuse doctrine with statements and utterances of individuals. The Catholic Credo speaks for itself.

It's a fine Credo. But it takes more than a good slogan to please God. RCs gladly point out every flaw in Luther ignoring the fact he was introduced these views while in their seminaries. Anti-Semitism was prevalent everywhere especially in the Catholic Church at that time. So, that's a non-starter. Luther made the pilgrimage to Rome and was appalled at what he saw. He had seen enough and he had enough to feel compelled to bring these errors to the Churchs attention. God sent Luther and protected Luther else he would have been burned at the stake like so many of Romes "enemies".

274 posted on 07/13/2017 8:48:08 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Rehab is for quitters.)
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To: metmom; ebb tide
>>And it’s YOUR church that’s celebrating Luther.

Is it?

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=walz+human+performance+complex

275 posted on 07/13/2017 9:33:04 AM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: af_vet_1981
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

What ELSE would a apparition wear?

276 posted on 07/13/2017 9:35:47 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: HLPhat

So are you Christian or not?

And are you going to reply with anything other than copy-pasting?

Really pathetic on your part. Really pathetic.


277 posted on 07/13/2017 9:57:20 AM PDT by Luircin
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To: Luircin

UnFRiend him/her and put them on your ignore list.


278 posted on 07/13/2017 10:00:53 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Rehab is for quitters.)
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To: Elsie
>>Yank harder on the tiller. It seems to be stuck.

The stucker you yank, the tiller you get?

No wait...


279 posted on 07/13/2017 10:04:14 AM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: Luircin
>>So are you Christian or not?

Not according to those whose fallible and uninspired opinion asserts that only folks who regurgitate 24x6 literalist dogma can be part of the faith they've assumed dominion over.

>>And are you going to reply with anything other than copy-pasting?

What happens to T as E approaches infinity and how does that impact the relative length of a unit of time in the context of the inertial frame(s) in which T and E are observed?


280 posted on 07/13/2017 10:08:45 AM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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