Posted on 07/02/2017 10:05:07 AM PDT by Oatka
On a humid afternoon this past November, I pulled off Interstate 75 into a stretch of Florida pine forest tangled with runaway vines. My GPS was homing in on the house of a man I thought might hold the master key to one of the strangest scholarly mysteries in recent decades: a 1,300-year-old scrap of papyrus that bore the phrase “Jesus said to them, My wife.” The fragment, written in the ancient language of Coptic, had set off shock waves when an eminent Harvard historian of early Christianity, Karen L. King, presented it in September 2012 at a conference in Rome.
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Christ indeed does have a bride. The Church He sacrificed Himself for. All creation is anxiously awaiting the marriage feast.
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I was about to post the same thing, but you beat me to it.
He said there is a compelling case Jesus was married from Jewish traditions as practiced at the time. You couldn't be considered a "Rabbi" without being age 30 and without having been married. He waited until he was 30 to begin his official ministry and would have had to have been married. His first miracle was at a wedding feast where he was in charge of the food and wine. That was the job of the groom. And also why his mother was the one organizing as well.
Though the biggest tell is the fact that after his resurrection even before he ascended to his Father God in Heaven (or even talked with his apostles) he appeared to Mary Magdalene (whose name is also mentioned even more than each of the apostles in the scriptures).
Ah... religious gobbledegook... that’s useful
I think we are in agreement on this - if He had married, the Gospel writers would have had no hesitation to record it.
“Had a religion class from Victor Ludlow, a Jewish scholar, in college at Brigham Young University
He said there is a compelling case Jesus was married from Jewish traditions as practiced at the time. Etc...”
A lot of people will say stuff like this.
It’s just about as valid to claim he was a space alien.
It means nothing. But it does present itself with some sort of sense of scholarly authority.
“Born of woman. Those ‘Sons of God’, refused to take this flesh journey, and along with their leader, (the devil), have already been judged to death.”
Every person except Adam and Eve were “born of a woman.”
You have some very odd, unBiblical theology for someone at least a little familiar with the Bible.
Jesus is the uniquely born Son of God because He was conceived by the Holy Spirit. He did not have an earthly, biological father.
Matthew 1:18
Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: After His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit.
“Not fake news (I was expected it) but a detailed investigation into this fraud. Quite a story.”
No, it’s not fake news. Not at all.
It certainly doesn’t support the Jesus was Married claim and it shows the highest levels of liberal/secular Biblical Scholarship in a pretty bad light.
In the time frame in which he lived, an unmarried Jewish man his age would be considered remarkable. It would have been noted and commented upon.
In the time frame in which he lived, an unmarried Jewish man his age would be considered remarkable. It would have been noted and commented upon.
So nobody in the Bible mentioned it, huh?
And here I thought the only thing that was true was the palm trees.
A new pastor came to our church and preached about how the virgin birth was just a story. But that it meant more as a story than if it had really happened.
We invited him to our house for dinner. After pleasant dinner and conversation I asked him more. “So - I understand your thinking on the virgin birth, and while I don’t agree, I can see your point and respect that. Now what about other miracles in the Bible?”
“Yes, well, just as with the virgin birth, they are impossible. But - they mean much more as a story than if they could even have actually happened.”
“Um - so obviously the Resurrection you consider just a story - and didn’t happen.”
“Of course it didn’t really happen.”
“And you believed this when you were ordained?”
“Yes.”
“Unbelievable that the church would ordain you. Well, thank you for coming over. And sorry to say that we will be leaving our church and finding another one.”
I am currently reading a great book, “Mary Magdalen,” by Susan Haskins.
Jesus clearly saw women as equals, often imparting significant lessons to them.
The Samaritan woman at the well (John 4:10) was perhaps the earliest apostle to the gentiles.
Mary Magdalen was, of course, the first witness to the resurrection, and the first person charged with spreading the news.
The early Church fathers despised female sexuality, as did the Jewish authorities.
I disagree. I think sexual relations are a gift from God.
The established creed is that Jesus is 100% man AND 100% God.
The man would have wanted marriage.
Nowhere does the Bible say He was celibate or unmarried.
Nowhere does it say Mary Magdalen was immoral. She had seven demons, but that does not imply immorality.
I think Just mythoughts was referring to the Nephalim from the pre-flood days. IIRC, the fallen angels had sex with human women and their offspring were the Nepahlim. “Sons of God” might refer to the fallen angels and/or the Nepahlim???
And as a Christian, I am a child (son) of God.
I believe miracles are God’s method of jogging us FREE from the Satanic thought processes of humans.
Of course they do not jibe with science or even first century expectations of reality. That is the whole point.
God that created the entire universe out of nothing is certainly capable of all the miracles in the Bible and more.
Except Nephilim aren’t “fallen angels.” That concept is definitely a pagan one repeated in both Greek and Roman mythology.
We will agree to disagree in too many ways.
No thank you. Not interested.
Plus they are a record of his ministry, not his family life.
Obviously Russian collusion....planted false evidence....sigh
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