Question: "What is the church?"

Wherever two or more born again believers gather in Christ’s name, so there is the church.

Which church ?

New Testament churches had candlesticks and stars (angels) associated with them. It is not the number of people that comprise a valid New Testament church. It is the provenance of the church and the works of those within it (for both the churches are threatened with losing candlesticks and those in them are threatened with being blotted out of the book of life) if they do not repent, watch, and do the works the Messiah requires.

The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches. Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks; I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars: And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted. Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

Revelation, Catholic chapter one, Protestant verse twenty
to
Revelation, Catholic chapter two, Protestant verses one to seven

as authorized, but not authored, by King James

All of them are superior to the KJV and none of them contradict any other.

So which version of the Catholic Bible is the *correct* Catholic Bible?

I wasn’t familiar with any Catholic Bible. I was told that I could not understand it so was not to read it.

Been there....you were NOT told not to read it, you were advised to seek help in interpreting it....as I read your posts, they were right.

I don’t know which but I’m out some steaks and charcoal this weekend.

If yer havin' a cookout; you can safely ask LOTS of Mormons who have current, valid TR cards.

Them kinda folks wil NOT eat any of yer meat during warm weather; for they follow the WORD of Wisdom to the LETTER!!

THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS

SECTION 89

Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Kirtland, Ohio, February 27, 1833. HC 1: 327–329. As a consequence of the early brethren using tobacco in their meetings, the Prophet was led to ponder upon the matter; consequently he inquired of the Lord concerning it. This revelation, known as the Word of Wisdom, was the result. The first three verses were originally written as an inspired introduction and description by the Prophet.

1–9, Use of wine, strong drinks, tobacco, and hot drinks proscribed; 10–17, Herbs, fruits, flesh, and grain are ordained for the use of man and of animals; 18–21, Obedience to gospel law, including the Word of Wisdom, brings temporal and spiritual blessings.

1 A ^aWord OF Wisdom, for the benefit of the council of high priests, assembled in Kirtland, and the church, and also the saints in Zion—

2 To be sent greeting; not by commandment or constraint, but by revelation and the ^aword of wisdom, showing forth the order and ^bwill of God in the temporal salvation of all saints in the last days—

3 Given for a principle with ^apromise, adapted to the capacity of the ^bweak and the weakest of all ^csaints, who are or can be called saints.

4 Behold, verily, thus saith the Lord unto you: In consequence of ^aevils and designs which do and will exist in the hearts of ^bconspiring men in the last days, I have ^cwarned you, and forewarn you, by giving unto you this word of wisdom by revelation—

5 That inasmuch as any man ^adrinketh ^bwine or strong drink among you, behold it is not good, neither meet in the sight of your Father, only in assembling yourselves together to offer up your sacraments before him.

6 And, behold, this should be wine, yea, ^apure wine of the grape of the vine, of your own make.

7 And, again, ^astrong drinks are not for the belly, but for the washing of your bodies.

8 And again, tobacco is not for the ^abody, neither for the belly, and is not good for man, but is an herb for bruises and all sick cattle, to be used with judgment and skill.

9 And again, hot drinks are not for the body or belly.

10 And again, verily I say unto you, all wholesome ^aherbs God hath ordained for the constitution, nature, and use of man—

11 Every herb in the season thereof, and every fruit in the season thereof; all these to be used with ^aprudence and ^bthanksgiving.

12 Yea, ^aflesh also of ^bbeasts and of the fowls of the air, I, the Lord, have ordained for the use of man with thanksgiving; nevertheless they are to be used ^csparingly;

13 And it is pleasing unto me that they should not be ^aused, only in times of winter, or of cold, or ^bfamine.

14 All ^agrain is ordained for the use of man and of beasts, to be the staff of life, not only for man but for the beasts of the field, and the fowls of heaven, and all wild animals that run or creep on the earth;

15 And ^athese hath God made for the use of man only in times of famine and excess of hunger.

16 All grain is good for the ^afood of man; as also the ^bfruit of the vine; that which yieldeth fruit, whether in the ground or above the ground—

17 Nevertheless, wheat for man, and corn for the ox, and oats for the horse, and rye for the fowls and for swine, and for all beasts of the field, and barley for all useful animals, and for mild drinks, as also other grain.

18 And all saints who remember to keep and do these sayings, walking in obedience to the commandments, ^ashall receive ^bhealth in their navel and marrow to their bones;

19 And shall ^afind ^bwisdom and great ^ctreasures of ^dknowledge, even hidden treasures;

20 And shall ^arun and not be ^bweary, and shall walk and not faint.

21 And I, the Lord, give unto them a promise, that the ^adestroying angel shall ^bpass by them, as the children of Israel, and not slay them. Amen.

That’s not an answer to the question.

There are many versions of the Catholic Bible.

I guess it seems that the Catholic church can’t do any better a job translating than they accuse Prots of doing.

... they follow the WORD of Wisdom to the LETTER!!

(But it tends to make them a bit indecisive; trying to follow their various Scriptures)

What's for dinner?

D&C 49:18-19

18 And whoso forbiddeth to abstain from meats, that man should not eat the same, is not ordained of God;
19 For, behold, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the air, and that which cometh of the earth, is ordained for the use of man for food and for raiment, and that he might have in abundance.

D&C 89:12-13

12 Yea, flesh also of beasts and of the fowls of the air, I, the Lord, have ordained for the use of man with thanksgiving; nevertheless they are to be used sparingly;
13 And it is pleasing unto me that they should not be used, only in times of winter, or of cold, or famine.

It must be tough; being a Mormon. Having to face Scripture that state two opposing ideas and somehow managing to believe BOTH of them! It's no WONDER that Utah leads in Prozac usage!

Been there....you were NOT told not to read it, you were advised to seek help in interpreting it....as I read your posts, they were right.

Absolute horse hockey.

You are wrong.

You were not there and you do not know what I was told and CANNOT tell me I don't know what I was told.

New Testament churches had candlesticks and stars (angels) associated with them.

Don't you mean CATHOLIC churches??

...and do the works the Messiah requires.

Yeah; some fellas asked Jesus a direct question about these REQUIRED works.

Rome has faithfully recorded His answer to them...

John 6:22-36
²²The next day the crowd that had stayed on the opposite shore of the lake realized that only one boat had been there, and that Jesus had not entered it with his disciples, but that they had gone away alone. ²³Then some boats from Tiberias landed near the place where the people had eaten the bread after the Lord had given thanks. ²⁴Once the crowd realized that neither Jesus nor his disciples were there, they got into the boats and went to Capernaum in search of Jesus.

²⁵When they found him on the other side of the lake, they asked him, “Rabbi, when did you get here?”
²⁶Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, you are looking for me, not because you saw the signs I performed but because you ate the loaves and had your fill. ²⁷Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. For on him God the Father has placed his seal of approval.”
Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”

Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”
³⁰So they asked him, “What sign then will you give that we may see it and believe you? What will you do? ³¹Our ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness; as it is written: ‘He gave them bread from heaven to eat.’^[c]”
³²Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, it is not Moses who has given you the bread from heaven, but it is my Father who gives you the true bread from heaven. ³³For the bread of God is the bread that comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”
³⁴“Sir,” they said, “always give us this bread.”
³⁵Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty. ³⁶But as I told you, you have seen me and still you do not believe.

1 John 3:21-23
Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us.

All of them are superior to the KJV and none of them contradict any other.

http://usccb.org/bible/approved-translations/

I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.

Oh; How I Love Jesus https://youtu.be/tWgOVG63blU

Ave Maria https://youtu.be/B7sz-En87Vc?t=5

I was long gone from Catholicism by 1983.

That’s not an answer to the question. There are many versions of the Catholic Bible. I guess it seems that the Catholic church can’t do any better a job translating than they accuse Prots of doing.

Nope, none of the Catholic versions contradict one another....they may simplify the language, explain in more familiar terms, but they NEVER change the meaning of the original bible......which they wrote.

You are wrong. You were not there and you do not know what I was told and CANNOT tell me I don't know what I was told.

Nope, you sadly misinterpreted what they told you....did they EVER tell you that you couldn't own a Bible ????, probably not, so if you owned one, what were you expected to do with it????Bibles were OFTEN given as gifts for first Communion kids and for eighth grade grads from Catholic schools....they weren't paperweights, they were to be read.

New Testament churches had candlesticks and stars (angels) associated with them. Don't you mean CATHOLIC churches??

Well, for one thousand six hundred years...there weren't any others....

I was long gone from Catholicism by 1983. That's VERY apparent.

And PRAISE GOD FOR THAT!

I traded the bondage of Catholicism for the freedom of Jesus Christ.

Galatians 5:1 For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.

John 8:36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.

Again, you don’t know.

Yes they told me that I could not understand it and not to read it, no matter what the voices in your head keep telling you otherwise.

You cannot make stuff up about other people and then try to pass it off as truth. Especially when the person you’re talking to knows better than you what happened to themselves.

You want to claim I was permitted to read it?

PROVE it.

Prove to me I am wrong in my claims and cite the sources. Your opinion and say so don’t count.

Well, for one thousand six hundred years...there weren't any others....

And their teachings and beliefs were above reproach.

1 Corinthians 5:6

https://youtu.be/D4163uV65x0