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To: Mrs. Don-o
I don't see why any Protestant would care about what Jerome wrote except for a historical curiosity only. Certainly not for a doctrinal lesson. He was a protege of Pope Damasus 1. So his theory about other peoples theories carries as much weight as a warm spoon of spittle.

As far as debates over Marys perpetual virginity in ancient times would be impossible to tell. They probably didn't give such a ridiculous notion any thought. It wasn't until Catholics sought to elevate her status to demi-goddess that the Mary myths started manifesting itself.

44 posted on 06/12/2017 7:26:23 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Operation Covfefe is now in effect.)
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To: BipolarBob
The reasons why a lot of Protestant do care --- and all ought to care --- about Jerome, are twofold:

(1) his influence on the development of the Canon, which is always an ecclesial, not an individual, determination; and

(2)his evidence of what the faithful believed in the early centuries of Christianity.

Your guess about the background of this belief is exactly wrong, historically speaking. The belief in the ever-virginity of Mary was the older universal belief; and the notion that she gave birth to other children was, at Jerome's time (fourth century) a shocking innovation.

And it’s not just the Roman church, if by that you mean the Latin West. Mary is honored as Ever-Virgin in all the earliest Apostolic patriarchal churches -— Jerusalem, Antioch, Rome, Constantinople, Alexandria -— as well as churches historically more independent of their direct influence, such as the Armenian, Assyrian, Coptic and Ethiopian churches.

These held the doctrine of "ever-virginity" centuries before the Sixth Ecumenical Council, which finally officially defined it as a doctrine. The 3th century Armenians, for instance, who were not even part of the Roman Empire, did not adopt this doctrine "because" a council in Cobstantinople(which they did not attend) defined it officially in the 7th century. Think.

In fact, the broader geographically, and deeper historically you go, the more it looks like “Ever-Virgin” is the authentic belief from the Apostolic Era, and divergence from that was an innovation. An unpersuasive one, too. It didn’t get any traction with any Christian churches anywhere, Roman or not. After Jerome refuted Helvetius' "innovation," controversy didn't arise again until millennium later.

It is pretty enlightening to look into the history, which is a rich field for the action of Divine Providence.

48 posted on 06/12/2017 9:37:14 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (The Church of the Living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth. (1 Tim 3:15))
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To: BipolarBob
I don't see why any Protestant would care about what Jerome wrote except for a historical curiosity only.

Just like Catholics do not care what THESE Early Church Fathers wrote; either!!


As regards the oft-quoted Mt. 16:18, note the following Early Church Fathers promise in the profession of faith of Vatican 1:

 • Basil of Seleucia, Oratio 25:

'You are Christ, Son of the living God.'...Now Christ called this confession a rock, and he named the one who confessed it 'Peter,' perceiving the appellation which was suitable to the author of this confession. For this is the solemn rock of religion, this the basis of salvation, this the wall of faith and the foundation of truth: 'For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Christ Jesus.' To whom be glory and power forever. — Oratio XXV.4, M.P.G., Vol. 85, Col. 296-297.

Bede, Matthaei Evangelium Expositio, 3:

You are Peter and on this rock from which you have taken your name, that is, on myself, I will build my Church, upon that perfection of faith which you confessed I will build my Church by whose society of confession should anyone deviate although in himself he seems to do great things he does not belong to the building of my Church...Metaphorically it is said to him on this rock, that is, the Saviour which you confessed, the Church is to be built, who granted participation to the faithful confessor of his name. — 80Homily 23, M.P.L., Vol. 94, Col. 260. Cited by Karlfried Froehlich, Formen, Footnote #204, p. 156 [unable to verify by me].

Cassiodorus, Psalm 45.5:

'It will not be moved' is said about the Church to which alone that promise has been given: 'You are Peter and upon this rock I shall build my Church and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it.' For the Church cannot be moved because it is known to have been founded on that most solid rock, namely, Christ the Lord. — Expositions in the Psalms, Volume 1; Volume 51, Psalm 45.5, p. 455

Chrysostom (John) [who affirmed Peter was a rock, but here not the rock in Mt. 16:18]:

Therefore He added this, 'And I say unto thee, Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church; that is, on the faith of his confession. — Chrysostom, Homilies on the Gospel of Saint Matthew, Homily LIIl; Philip Schaff, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers (http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf110.iii.LII.html)

Cyril of Alexandria:

When [Peter] wisely and blamelessly confessed his faith to Jesus saying, 'You are Christ, Son of the living God,' Jesus said to divine Peter: 'You are Peter and upon this rock I will build my Church.' Now by the word 'rock', Jesus indicated, I think, the immoveable faith of the disciple.”. — Cyril Commentary on Isaiah 4.2.

Origen, Commentary on the Gospel of Matthew (Book XII):

“For a rock is every disciple of Christ of whom those drank who drank of the spiritual rock which followed them, 1 Corinthians 10:4 and upon every such rock is built every word of the church, and the polity in accordance with it; for in each of the perfect, who have the combination of words and deeds and thoughts which fill up the blessedness, is the church built by God.'

“For all bear the surname ‘rock’ who are the imitators of Christ, that is, of the spiritual rock which followed those who are being saved, that they may drink from it the spiritual draught. But these bear the surname of rock just as Christ does. But also as members of Christ deriving their surname from Him they are called Christians, and from the rock, Peters.” — Commentary on the Gospel of Matthew (Book XII), sect. 10,11 ( http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/101612.htm)

Hilary of Potier, On the Trinity (Book II):

Thus our one immovable foundation, our one blissful rock of faith, is the confession from Peter's mouth, Thou art the Son of the living God. On it we can base an answer to every objection with which perverted ingenuity or embittered treachery may assail the truth."-- (Hilary of Potier, On the Trinity (Book II), para 23; Philip Schaff, editor, The Nicene & Post Nicene Fathers Series 2, Vol 9.

133 posted on 06/13/2017 5:40:19 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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