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To: Mrs. Don-o
This is untrue. Holy Scripture is a part of Sacred Tradition.

Your first error in this thread.

(1) The Scriptures are from God.

From the mouth of The Lord Jesus:

"It is written, 'Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.' " (Mt. 4:4bcd AV; cf. Deut. 8:3).

Jesus did not exercise His position and preemptive authority; He held the authority of God's spoken words written by Moses and preserved as the ultimate Authority over Satan's authority in this world.

The words written by Apostle Paul in training his disciple Timothy:

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: . . ."(2 Tim. 3:16 AV).

Paul affirms Scripture--not tradition--as the supreme authority, for the purpose:

". . . That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works" (2 Tim. 3:17 AV).

Through such spiritually mature men these words were preserved as inspired Scripture. having authority over the men protecting and copying them.

(2) Tradition is from men.

On the other hand, the Lord Jesus spoke to the hypocritical religionists of the day, who placed their authority above that of the Scriptures thus far completed four centuries previously:

"Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? . . . Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition" (Mt. 15:3b,6c AV).

Jesus found them "falsus in unum, falsus in omnibus"--false in one thing, false in all.

(3) To place these entities on the same spiritual plane is defiling the Holiness of God and His Revealed Word:

Scripture is God's perfect Words.

Tradition is man's fallible works.

Don't confuse them by commingling them.

God does not:

Inscripturated by David, preserved by God:

"I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name" (Ps. 138:2 AV).

15 posted on 06/11/2017 2:36:34 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: imardmd1

1) I didn’t say the Scriptures aren’t from God. Thanks to their Divine Author, their historical chain of transmission is through His Church.

2) You have neglected to distinguish between different kinds of tradition. You will note that the Apostle Paul disparages some kinds of tradition, and praises -— insists upon -— other kinds. (He can’t be disparaging and insisting upon the same thing, so there must he two kinds.). The kind called Sacred Tradition has exactly the same origin (the teaching of Our Lord and of His Apostles) whether it is conveyed by preaching , or teaching, or example, or the texts of letters and Gospels.

3) St Paul taught exactly that: that Sacred Tradition has the same authority whether oral or written:

(2 These 2:15)
“Therefore, brothers, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught, whether by an oral statement or by a letter of ours.”

Either you, or the apostle Paul, must be very much mistaken.


20 posted on 06/11/2017 3:26:12 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (The Church of the Living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth. (1 Tim 3:15))
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To: imardmd1; Mrs. Don-o

Don’t you just love it when non-Catholics are trying to tell us what Catholics believe?


28 posted on 06/11/2017 5:56:13 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: imardmd1
What led up to 2 Tim. 3:16-17??



12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

127 posted on 06/13/2017 5:26:25 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: imardmd1

But WAIT!!!


There is the 18th verse that the Prots must have REMOVED from THEIR Lutherian bibles:

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17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
18. Though understand this; Mary, our beloved Mother of GOD, shall return from heaven to give differing and clearer instructions to the church in the years ahead.
 

--Poorly_Catechized_Dude(Hail Mary!!)

128 posted on 06/13/2017 5:31:15 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: imardmd1

But WAIT!!!


There is the 18th verse that the Prots must have REMOVED from THEIR Lutherian bibles:

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17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
18. Though understand this; Mary, our beloved Mother of GOD, shall return from heaven to give differing and clearer instructions to the church in the years ahead.
 

--Poorly_Catechized_Dude(Hail Mary!!)

129 posted on 06/13/2017 5:32:01 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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