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Jesus Christ And The Early Christian Church
http://www.jesuschristsavior.net/Church.html ^

Posted on 06/11/2017 10:27:59 AM PDT by NKP_Vet

The point of origin of the Christian faith is Jesus Christ.

This page reviews the transmission of the Christian faith from Jesus Christ and the Apostles through the Traditions of the early Christian Church and the formation of the Canon of the New Testament of the Bible.

God has revealed himself to man through Divine Revelation, by sending us his beloved Son, our Lord Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit. God chose to reveal himself to us so that we may become partakers of his divine nature (2 Peter 1:4). God first made himself known by creating our first parents, Adam and Eve, in his image and likeness (Genesis 1:26-28). Following the Fall of Adam and Eve through original sin, God's promise of Redemption gave them the hope of salvation (Genesis 3:15). In preparing for the redemption of the human race, God made covenants with Noah, Abraham, Moses and the people and prophets of Israel. Salvation history is fulfilled through the Incarnation of Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Word made Flesh.

Our appropriate personal response in our relationship with Christ Jesus is what St. Paul calls "the obedience of faith" (Romans 1:5, 16:26)!

There were three stages in the formation of the Gospels: the Life and Teachings of Jesus Christ, the Oral Tradition of the Apostles, and the Written Word.

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TOPICS: Apologetics; Ecumenism; History; Theology
KEYWORDS: christians
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To: redleghunter; CptnObvious; daniel1212; Springfield Reformer

And the reason that *brother* and *sister* means actual brother and sister is precisely because they did not think Jesus was anything more than the son of the carpenter and Mary.

They had no idea who He was, didn’t believe His claims, could not even begin to figure it out. Their puzzlement was plain.

In their eyes, He was just an ordinary guy from an ordinary family. There was n o reason for them to fudge meanings.


201 posted on 06/13/2017 11:54:40 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Mark17
Will you think bad of me, if I DON'T read it?

It depends.

As long as you ask the next pair of freshly washed faces of Mormon Missionairies who visit your abode if THEY have read it; you may pass GO-> and collect $200.


Other wise; that purgatory you do not believe in will confirm your reservation for a certai, unknown period of time.

202 posted on 06/13/2017 11:54:53 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

That still does not give us license to try to contact them in violation of God’s commands to not contact those who have passed from this life.


203 posted on 06/13/2017 11:56:56 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Little Blue Nun
Thanks for your reply.

St. John tells us in St. John 21:25:..."But there are also many other things which Jesus did; which, if they were written every one, the world itself, I think, would not be able to contain the books that should be written."

This indicates (to me at least) that there were many things that Jesus said and did that did NOT pertain to the Saving of souls and the Cleansing of sin.

204 posted on 06/13/2017 11:59:15 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Little Blue Nun
These are, from careful study, the two choirs of angels most of whom ended up as devils in Hell. We have to infir this because St. Paul refers to them as demonic forces.

Of WHAT?

205 posted on 06/13/2017 12:00:04 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ravenwolf
.... if these brethren had of been Mary`s children they would have fought tooth and nail against the wish`s of Jesus, they would have took care of their own mother come hell or high water.

Mindreading an entire group of people.

Really?

206 posted on 06/13/2017 12:01:16 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ravenwolf
Any one who is not an only child know that younger brothers and sisters will hero worship their older brothers.

That worked well for these guys: Esau and Jacob

207 posted on 06/13/2017 12:06:08 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: daniel1212

Thank you for your keen and instructive deliberations. I am better informed by them, and will keep them for future reference. Your work, unappreciated by some, is not wasted on me.


208 posted on 06/13/2017 12:07:04 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: ravenwolf
And are the protestants really against Mary having only one child or are they taking their hatred of the Catholic Church out on Mary who has done no one any wrong.?

And are the Catholics really against Mary having more than one child or are they taking their hatred of the protestant Churchs out on anyone that claims Mary has done wrong?

209 posted on 06/13/2017 12:08:00 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; Little Blue Nun
We need this mutual spiritual assistance Christ has given us with all the members of the Communion of Saints.

Is the following still in force?


"One indeed is the universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved, in which the priest himself is the sacrifice, Jesus Christ, whose body and blood are truly contained in the sacrament of the altar under the species of bread and wine; the bread (changed) into His body by the divine power of transubstantiation, and the wine into the blood, so that to accomplish the mystery of unity we ourselves receive from His (nature) what He Himself received from ours."

--Pope Innocent III and Lateran Council IV (A.D. 1215)

210 posted on 06/13/2017 12:09:40 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ravenwolf

There is the Mary of the bible, and there is Rome’s Mary.

Quite different individuals.


211 posted on 06/13/2017 12:10:48 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Well, yeah. Bro. Paul tends to go on and on, and I did not want to insert more citation that only hammered in the point being made. But for me, I do love the context. Nice of you to do the extra hammering!


212 posted on 06/13/2017 12:15:27 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: Elsie; Mrs. Don-o

Yeah, I did. Post #43 was my reply. I just think MDO was getting confused about who was discussing what, and for which purpose . . .


213 posted on 06/13/2017 12:23:04 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: ravenwolf
We have no argument then, If these were Mary`s children they would not have been step brothers and sisters to Jesus as step brothers and sisters are no blood kin.

You've got me. When I'm wrong, I'm wrong. And not to proud to admit it. Nah, I meant half-brothers and sisters. Remember the manger scene? No step brothers or step-sisters. Jesus is referred to as her firstborn (Luke 2:7). And they were blood kin through Mary of course.

214 posted on 06/13/2017 12:33:43 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Operation Covfefe is now in effect.)
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To: daniel1212

Thanks again for taking up on this second issue, and for bringing these resources into view. Please accept my appreciation for your labors.


215 posted on 06/13/2017 12:39:29 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: BipolarBob

That is a good point. I realize that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, but if Joseph had other children at the time of Jesus’ birth, why were they not mentioned in Luke? It seems that Joseph’s entire household should have been with him.


216 posted on 06/13/2017 12:40:57 PM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: kosciusko51
It seems that Joseph’s entire household should have been with him.

For the census, it was a requirement.

217 posted on 06/13/2017 12:45:50 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Operation Covfefe is now in effect.)
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To: BipolarBob

Agreed.


218 posted on 06/13/2017 12:49:56 PM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: Elsie
No, you are not understanding "strawman" correctly. It is a way of arguing against something by misstating the other person's position.

For example, let's say that two people are arguing about taxation. One takes the view that there ought be a reduced, 10% tax on all income from whatever source, the same for everyone (flat tax). The second person says, "So! You want to shrink our defense budget and disarm the USA!"

If the first person objects that that's neither what he said nor what he meant, but the second person continues along those lines, the second person is making a strawman argument: "refuting" something that person #1 never said to begin with.

The way to avoid inadvertently setting a strawman, is to ask, "Please clarify something for me. Is this what you meant?"

219 posted on 06/13/2017 1:10:19 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (We, though many, are members of the Body of Christ and individually members of one another. Rm 12:5)
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To: MHGinTN

I failed to distribute one of my middles? I beg your forgiveness. Please indicate the neglected middle and I will distribute it as well as I can.


220 posted on 06/13/2017 1:16:25 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (We, though many, are members of the Body of Christ and individually members of one another. Rm 12:5)
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