Posted on 06/11/2017 10:27:59 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
The point of origin of the Christian faith is Jesus Christ.
This page reviews the transmission of the Christian faith from Jesus Christ and the Apostles through the Traditions of the early Christian Church and the formation of the Canon of the New Testament of the Bible.
God has revealed himself to man through Divine Revelation, by sending us his beloved Son, our Lord Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit. God chose to reveal himself to us so that we may become partakers of his divine nature (2 Peter 1:4). God first made himself known by creating our first parents, Adam and Eve, in his image and likeness (Genesis 1:26-28). Following the Fall of Adam and Eve through original sin, God's promise of Redemption gave them the hope of salvation (Genesis 3:15). In preparing for the redemption of the human race, God made covenants with Noah, Abraham, Moses and the people and prophets of Israel. Salvation history is fulfilled through the Incarnation of Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Word made Flesh.
Our appropriate personal response in our relationship with Christ Jesus is what St. Paul calls "the obedience of faith" (Romans 1:5, 16:26)!
There were three stages in the formation of the Gospels: the Life and Teachings of Jesus Christ, the Oral Tradition of the Apostles, and the Written Word.
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I be one of them bro. Ex Catholic I mean. No more non Biblical albatrosses hanging around my neck.
Didn't you ask previously, who would rid you of this meddlesome non priest? That would be me again. You know, many of the people I went to Catholic high school with, kind of felt the same way. I outsmarted them, however. I left the area. I mean I REALLY left the area. 🙃😀😆😄
That would be me again bro. Praise God, that later, I would see the light, and come out.
It seems to me, that flying was so much easier, without all those heavy albatrosses hanging from my neck. 🙂😁😆
I have enjoyed this exercise. I learn a little more each time we have a good discussion as we have had. God bless you all.
Will you think bad of me, if I DON'T read it? 😱
You have a point. If these 'brothers and sisters' were other than brothers and sisters and just kin of any sort, the word that would be used would most likely be syggenēs. As was used in Luke 1:36 for the relationship between Mary and Elizabeth.
syngenḗs, soong-ghen-ace'; from G4862 and G1085; a relative (by blood); by extension, a fellow countryman:—cousin, kin(-sfolk, -sman). (https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G4773&t=KJV)
Yet in Mark 6:3, as you quoted, the relational word is adelphos which clearly indicating, at the very least, sharing one parent:
adelphós, ad-el-fos'; from G1 (as a connective particle) and δελφύς delphýs (the womb); a brother (literally or figuratively) near or remote (much like G1):—brother.
Outline of Biblical Usage: I.a brother, whether born of the same two parents or only of the same father or mother.
None of the Biblical usages indicate distant relative or closer kin (aka cousin). (https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G80&t=KJV)
If one wanted to 'strain a gnat' the best they could come up with as an alternative translation would be national kinsmen or ancestor and brother in Christ, which does not apply to the text.
That's necromancy bro. I refuse to join anyone in that sin. I would much rather commit the sin of presumption, by having 💯 % assurance of salvation. 😆
Good post. Should have read your’s first before positing mine. :)
2Corinthians 12:1~7: "If I must glory (It is not expedient indeed): but I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord. I know a man in Christ about fourteen years ago (whether in the body, I know not, or out of the body, I know not; God knows), such a one caught up to the the third Heaven. And I know such a man (whether in the body, or out of the bod, I know not: God knows): That he was caught up into Paradise and heard secret words, which is not granted to man to utter. For such an one I will glory; but for myself I will glory nothing, but in my infirmities. For though I should have a mind to glory, I shall not be foolish; for I will say the truth. But I forbear, lest any man should think of me above that which he sees in me, or any thing he hears from me."
We also know that Jesus' Apostles and Disciples spent almost three and a half years with Jesus, being taught daily, and yet St. John tells us in St. John 21:25:..."But there are also many other things which Jesus did; which, if they were written every one, the world itself, I think, would not be able to contain the books that should be written."
We know that some of this oral Tradition from Jesus to His Apostles was passed on to St. Paul, and others, also as oral Tradition. St. Paul obviously did not write down all that he learned from the Holy Spirit, or all that he learned from Jesus. As an example, the term, "Powers and Principalities" as in Ephesians 6:12 was only used by St. Paul. These are, from careful study, the two choirs of angels most of whom ended up as devils in Hell. We have to infir this because St. Paul refers to them as demonic forces. And in Ephesians 3:10, St. Paul places them in heavenly places. So apparently not all of them went to Hell, and were no doubt the choirs of Lucifer and Beelzebub (Apparently there were originally nine choirs and were reduced to seven. The book of Apocalypse mentions the other seven over and over again, once as the seven seals, the seven trumpets, and the seven last plagues. These are Archangels who are to the most powerful and trusted of the angels. So it's a match.) See also: These are the seven spirits which are before His throne, as in Apocalypse 1:4. These are the seven spirits of God as mentioned in Apocalypse 3:1 and 4:5.
If we add Traditions carried into the Church from the Jewish faith, St. Paul being a Pharisee of Pharisees, we can recognize from above four different sources of Tradition. None of which are captured in writing. First of all we have in 1Corinthians 2, Traditions received of the Holy Spirit both by St. Paul and the Apostles. In 2Corinthians 12, we have traditions given by Jesus directly to St. Paul, again orally and never committed to writing. We also have from St. John 21, that there were many things that Jesus spoke to the Apostles and Disciples that were never put in writing. Over the course of 2000 years of the Church, these Traditions, inspired, infused, or unwritten, have been woven into the fabric of the seamless garment that is the Deposit of Faith of the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. There is no way possible to identify these individual threads after this amount of time. (There were no protestants until 1500 years later. Therefore they do not have any of these Traditions. Therefore, when St. Paul says in 2Thessalonians 2:14: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word or by our epistle." Their answer had to be sola scriptura.
Of course, the above is from a Pre-Vatican II standpoint, as I am a pre-Vatican II Traditional Catholic, full habit and all. I wish to thank you for inviting me as it was a good refresher course. As you may or may not imagine, I deal with many people who are on the other side of this argument who are Novus Ordo Catholics who for the last fifty plus years have been trying to jettison these very Traditions. Especially as it regards the Holy Mass, Tridentine versus Novus Ordo. They have become oblivious to being almost giddy over sheading them to where the Mass and its embedded teachings are almost unrecognizable. Hope this helps.
Your sister in Christ.
And the REST of Jesus’ BROTHERS AND SISTERS were NOT!
The so called brothers and sisters would not have honored the words of Jesus until after his resurrection.
Have you not read Luke 12:53??———————————
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Luke 12
53 The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Mark 6:4 and Luke 12:53 shows that Jesus`s own family did not recognize him as any authority, if these brethren had of been Mary`s children they would have fought tooth and nail against the wish`s of Jesus, they would have took care of their own mother come hell or high water.
Um, were you aware that MAry and His brothers came to where He was teaching and tried to call Him out to spdeak with Him, and that not one of them except His Mother came to the crucifixion?
Any one who is not an only child know that younger brothers and sisters will hero worship their older brothers.
You jump to the Catholics’ necessitated-for-demnigoddess-status when you assume only one reason for Jesus to put His Mother’s welfare in John’s care at the cross, as He was dying as a human man.————
And are the protestants really against Mary having only one child or are they taking their hatred of the Catholic Church out on Mary who has done no one any wrong.?
We don't do anything forbidden by God, like try to conjure their presence or do seances or any such occult practice. We do acknowledge that, as fellow members of the Body, we love them and are loved by them--- in Christ --- and as sharers in the supernatural Life, we need them.
And how not? As we gave been taught:
We need this mutual spiritual assistance Christ has given us with all the members of the Communion of Saints.1 Cor 12:14-26
The body is not made up of one part but of many.
Now if the foot should say,
“Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body,”
it would not for that reason stop being part of the body.
And if the ear should say,
“Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body,”
it would not for that reason stop being part of the body.
... But in fact God has placed the parts in the body, every one of them,
just as he wanted them to be.
The eye cannot say to the hand,
“I don’t need you!”
And the head cannot say to the feet,
“I don’t need you!”
At this time there is no indication that any of Jesus’ step brothers or sisters were followers of Him. Jesus had the ability to perceive the future and make this decision.
That is why it is so obvious that Jesus was Mary`s only child.
But you want to believe that the virgin Mary stayed a virgin? Correct?—————————
I have no idea and i have never suggested any such thing, what i do not do is to take any contempt i may have for the Catholic Church out on Mary, she is the mother of my Lord.
But there are many important questions on which Scripture is silent. Sola Scriptura makes no claim to the contrary. Nor does sola Scriptura claim that everything Jesus or the apostles ever taught is preserved in Scripture. It only means that everything necessary, everything binding on our consciences, and everything God requires of us is given to us in Scripture (2 Peter 1:3).
The Reformation principle of sola Scriptura has to do with the sufficiency of Scripture as our supreme authority in all spiritual matters. Sola Scriptura simply means that all truth necessary for our salvation and spiritual life is taught either explicitly or implicitly in Scripture. It is not a claim that all truth of every kind is found in Scripture. The most ardent defender of sola Scriptura will concede, for example, that Scripture has little or nothing to say about DNA structures, microbiology, the rules of Chinese grammar, or rocket science. This or that “scientific truth,” for example, may or may not be actually true, whether or not it can be supported by Scripture—but Scripture is a “more sure Word,” standing above all other truth in its authority and certainty. It is “more sure,” according to the apostle Peter, than the data we gather firsthand through our senses (2 Peter 1:19). Therefore, Scripture is the highest and supreme authority on any matter on which it speaks.
Furthermore, we are forbidden to add to or take away from Scripture (cf. Deut. 4:2; 12:32; Rev. 22:18-19). To add to it is to lay on people a burden that God Himself does not intend for them to bear (cf. Matt. 23:4).
Scripture is therefore the perfect and only standard of spiritual truth, revealing infallibly all that we must believe in order to be saved and all that we must do in order to glorify God. That—no more, no less—is what sola Scriptura means.
“The whole counsel of God, concerning all things necessary for his own glory, man’s salvation, faith, and life, is either expressly set down in scripture, or by good and necessary consequence may be deduced from scripture: unto which nothing at any time is to be added, whether by new revelations of the Spirit, or traditions of men.” —Westminster Confession of Faith
This excerpt is taken from John MacArthur’s contribution in Sola Scriptura: The Protestant Position on the Bible.
The quote above has paragraphs 1 & 2 out of order.
I was all out of Pilgrim Progress ones.
Wise choice!
Kinda like "Mother of GOD"?
Like is found in replies #133 and #139?
Like is found in replies #133 and #139?
And has been called on it many times as well.
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