Posted on 06/04/2017 12:29:15 PM PDT by ealgeone
Neither is the book of St. Polycarp mentioned in what the Protestants call the apocrypha. I do find that St. Polycarp apparently received as the other Church Fathers did, letters written by and shared by St. Paul, St. Peter, and other communications amongst the Church leaders at that time. I therefore can and do consider him an ancillary source to what's in my Bible. I do also regard it my duty to my God to consider the full Bible in my endeavor to understand and pass on my faith. I find it totally unproductive to cling to a single verse or verses without considering the whole Word of God.
I believe it absolutely necessary to remind myself and others that St. Paul had spent long periods of time in teaching the churches that he had established. And so I rely more heavily of what Jesus said, with all ties going to Jesus rather than to put Jesus' teachings aside in favor of St. Paul's. After all St. Paul in his letters could do no more than hit the highlights.
Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive : “I find it totally unproductive to cling to a single verse or verses without considering the whole Word of God”. But you rely on the mary of Catholicism without a single Bible verse instructing you to do so, and your religion has built an entire demigoddess edifice out of whole cloth! You know what folks who do not practice what they preach are known as? Hypocrits
Are you sure that you want to continue to be like the young blacks that I went to high school with who when they were stumped by Truth could think of nothing better to say than "yo mama". The Mary card is just as infintile and ignorant, ney, more ignorant than what they said as they were not speaking of the one that God made special enough that Jesus could take His sinless flesh from that would hang on the Cross and gain us our Redemption. Please read the above again and realize that with your Mary bashing you're taking on the entire Trinity and insulting Them. Do you really want to do that??!!!
I would not want to be in your shoes or any other basher's shoes when you stand before Jesus in judgement and questions you concerning HIS MAMA. I can imagine that that is one subject on which He, like most of us, has no sense of humor. Hope you like being a post toastie.
In St. John 2:1~12 we see recounted the interaction between Jesus and His Mother, Mary, concerning the fact that the wedding feast was out of wine. (Think of the Wedding Feast of the Lamb.) The Blessed Virgin Mary in spite of Jesus' objection was able to convince Jesus that it WAS His time and so the miracle was performed by Jesus at Her request and Hers alone. If I ever wanted something from my father or even one of my brothers or sisters, I also wanted Mom on my side. Since you speak of Her as you do, what are the odds that Jesus is going to listen to you? Judgement time is not the time to need a miracle and need Her support. And remember God knows the end from the beginning so that as He was hanging on the Cross, He already knew how you were going to defame and denegrate the Woman that God the Father chose special from all eternity to be His Mother, and since you are an adopted child of God, (St. Paul says we are ALL children of adoption.) She is your Mother too. I will pray to Her for your forgiveness. Not only for you but all those like you. I will also pray to God that you will begin to use the good sense that He gave you and never again besmirch the good name of any one whom He has called "Blessed" including any of His saints. See St. Luke 1:48.
By the way, congratulations from Satan on the role that you have chosen in fulfilling Biblical prophesy namely Apocalypse 12:15: "And the serpent cast out of his mouth after the Woman, water as it were a river; that he might cause Her to be carried away by the river." As for me and my household consider this reply as our loving and dutiful attempt to do what it says in Apocalypse 12:16: "And the Earth helped the Woman, and the Earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the river, which the dragon cast out of his mouth." We honestly do not mind being the ones mentioned in verse 17: "And the dragon was angry against the Woman: (God never called Israel, the Woman, only the harlot.) And went to make war with the rest of Her seed, who keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." ( Can you honestly keep His commandments and have His testimony and speak of His Mother as you do? I don't know about you but I consider it a wholesome and Holy thing to fear the Lord as the Bible tells me to.)
We have read the Book, we know how it ends. We know we're on the right side with the Woman. How about you?
Show me where the Bible tells you to hold the Mother of Jesus up as a mediatrix of Salvation and the Grace of GOD, and we might have a conversation. But as it is, you are contradicting yourself repeatedly and writing paragraphs which are at the very least deceptive. God have Mercy upon you for these errors, I find your responses to be ... sneaky.
First, I am bashing the false Mariology of your Org. because it is a totally made up mythology with NO SCRIPTURAL foundation or support.
Second, Mary is not in the Trinity, so don't make yourself an open tool by making such a specious assertion connecting the Mother of Jesus to the Trinity as if she is empowered to act in God's stead or on the behalf of those praying to GOD through the Mary of catholiciism.
It is quite telling that a catholiciism steeped mind would infer a tagalong connection tot he Trinity for Mary, the Mary of the religion known as Catholicism.
Finally, this is so infantile as to be almost ALMOST laughable: "... when you stand before Jesus in judgement and questions you concerning HIS MAMA." Woman, if you are in fact a woman, I stand before Jesus every hour of evey day. I am born from above and His Spirit is in my human spirit as the earnest of my inheritance by His work and Grace. When I am at the Bema Seat of The Christ, in Heaven, I am trusting that my contending with the likes of your religious ilk will be a point of consideration. I also pray that your soul way be born from above in due course so that I can meet you in the clouds of our way back to The Father's House. While you are yet breathing there is still time ...
For those I have pinged to this response, I have pinged you because I don't want you to miss the post by this woman who presumes to instruct us and in the process exposes the roots of catholiciism which are cause of the effects we see in catholic apologists.
“We have read the Book, we know how it ends. We know we’re on the right side with the Woman. “
Context. It is not not Mary. It is Israel. Wrong woman.
Eisegesis.
Oh, absolute hogwash.
Nobody is bashing Mary.
Nobody is thereby insulting the whole Trinity as a result of their refusal to make Mary more than she was presented in Scripture.
I would not want to be in your shoes or any other basher's shoes when you stand before Jesus in judgement and questions you concerning HIS MAMA. I can imagine that that is one subject on which He, like most of us, has no sense of humor. Hope you like being a post toastie.
Our opinion of Mary has nothing to do with our salvation short of recognizing the virgin birth.
Since you speak of Her as you do, what are the odds that Jesus is going to listen to you?
Pretty good.
Judgement time is not the time to need a miracle and need Her support. And remember God knows the end from the beginning so that as He was hanging on the Cross, He already knew how you were going to defame and denegrate the Woman that God the Father chose special from all eternity to be His Mother, and since you are an adopted child of God, (St. Paul says we are ALL children of adoption.)
More unscriptural nonsense.
She is your Mother too. I will pray to Her for your forgiveness. Not only for you but all those like you. I will also pray to God that you will begin to use the good sense that He gave you and never again besmirch the good name of any one whom He has called "Blessed" including any of His saints. See St. Luke 1:48.
ALL believers are blessed in like manner as Mary.
The word is used to describe believers in Ephesians.Mary and Grace
The word grace used in this passage in Luke is used in one other place in the Bible and that is Ephesians 1 where Paul tells us that with this same grace, God has blessed us (believers) in the Beloved. IOW, we all have access to that grace and it has been bestowed on us all.
http://biblehub.com/greek/5487.htm
Luke 1:28 And he came to her and said, “Greetings, O favored one, the Lord is with you!”
Ephesians 1:4-6 In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved.
Greek word “grace”
charitoó: to make graceful, endow with grace
Original Word: χαριτόω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: charitoó
Phonetic Spelling: (khar-ee-to'-o)
Short Definition: I favor, bestow freely on
Definition: I favor, bestow freely on.
HELPS Word-studies
Cognate: 5487 xaritóō (from 5486 /xárisma, "grace," see there) – properly, highly-favored because receptive to God's grace. 5487 (xaritóō) is used twice in the NT (Lk 1:28 and Eph 1:6), both times of God extending Himself to freely bestow grace (favor).
Word Origin: from charis
Definition: to make graceful, endow with grace
NASB Translation: favored (1), freely bestowed (1).
Perhaps you should remind yourself that the Holy Spirit is the one who inspired the writers of the gospels - of whom Jesus told His disciples, "will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you" - AS WELL AS the epistles also called Sacred Scripture which are Divinely-inspired. No one need see the words of Jesus in competition with what Paul wrote. They are ALL from God.
This is why we KNOW that the Deuterocanonicals/Apocryphals are NOT from God and do not belong with the canonical books that ARE from holy men of God who were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
Former Catholic school students know,
The tendency of nuns to crow.
Though knuckles they bruised,
When some kids refused,
Their perverted doctrines we now show.
Have you told that to the Catholics who tell us that there is no salvation outside the Catholic church and that we are hellbound for not being Catholic?
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Do you believe it? No?
Then so what? It would be like someone saying that they believe in fairies and leprichans it doesn’t belong to you. Different belief systems. They think you will go to hell, so what? The Mormons believe in post life baptism, So what? Not yours.
Let them believe what they believe. They say what they need to say. You don’t have to own it. It isn’t your theology.
Mark and Elsie, you guys have some serious competition.
“I corrected you because you wrote “but it seems to me you’re suggesting that God’s Word contradicts itself.”
Af_vet_1981, you state things that are plainly wrong. Whether or not that’s deliberate, I don’t know, but I’m sure God does.
I mentioned to you about our words having eternal consequences, and your answer on that wasn’t clear, but however you interpreted it, God forbids bearing false witness, so we know it’s against His will, and Jesus said this: “But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.”
So God hasn’t forgotten the conversations we had last week, or thirty years ago, or the conversations of people 3,000 years ago, and one day He will judge them all. As God created everything through His Word, and His Word is Jesus Christ, so our words are a power He’s entrusted us with, and He will judge what we’ve done with them, including in the conversation we’ve had here.
“I do not find St. Polycarp in the Cannon of my Bible
Neither is the book of St. Polycarp mentioned in what the Protestants call the apocrypha.”
Funny thing is that your cult sure thinks a lot of him...
St. Polycarp Catholic Church and numerous web pages dedicated to him, so I guess you’re saying that the rcc is wrong in quoting him so much?
I agree completely about following the words of Jesus...
Lets see how well you follow Jesus.
Q. Do you bow to a statue of a graven image of a god hanging on a Roman cross?
Exodus 20:4, Deut 5:8, Lev 26:1
Q. Do you bow to a statue of that same god’s so called mother mary?
Exodus 20:4, Deut 5:8, Lev 26:1, 2 Cor 11:14
Q. Do you pray the rosary and pray to the so called mother of Jesus?
Gal 1:8, 2 Cor 11:4 & 14
Q. Do you call a man that claims a fake office of priest father?
Matt 23:9
Q. You must follow your infallible teacher pope no matter how wrong he is
Matt 23:8
“direct defiance of Apocalypse 22:18&19”
You accuse us Protestants of adding to Holy Scripture
Wow look at all these additions
1 . Prayers for the dead . …………-—————————……300 A.D.
2. Making the sign of the cross ………………………… …300 A.D.
3. Veneration of angels & dead saints …………-————…….375 A.D.
4. Use of images in worship………………………………… . 375 A.D.
5. The Mass as a daily celebration……………………………… 394 A.D.
6 Beginning of the exaltation of Mary; the term, “Mother of God” applied a Council of Ephesus……………. .-———————————————————— 431 A.D.
7 Extreme Unction (Last Rites)……………………………… ..526 A.D.
8. Doctrine of Purgatory-Gregory 1…………………………… .593 A.D..
9. Prayers to Mary & dead saints ……………………………… .600 A.D.
10. Worship of cross, images & relics ……………………… … 786 A.D.
11 Canonization of dead saints ………………………………… ..995 A.D.
12. Celibacy of priesthood …………………………………… …1079 A.D.
13. The Rosary ……………………………………………… … 1090 A.D.
14. Indulgences ……………………………………………… …..1190 A.D.
15. Transubstantiation-Innocent III …………………………… 1215 A.D.
16. Auricular Confession of sins to a priest …………………… 1215 A.D.
17. Adoration of the wafer (Host)…………………………… .. 1220 A.D.
18. Cup forbidden to the people at communion …………………..1414 A.D.
19. Purgatory proclaimed as a dogma……………………………..1439 A.D.
20. The doctrine of the Seven Sacraments confirmed …………….1439 A.D.
21 Tradition declared of equal authority with Bible by Council of Trent…………………………………………————————… 1545 A.D.
22. Apocryphal books added to Bible ………——————……….1546 A.D.
23. Immaculate Conception of Mary……………………………….1854 A.D.
24, Infallibility of the pope in matters of faith and morals, proclaimed by the Vatican Council ……………… 1870 A.D.
25. Assumption of the Virgin Mary (bodily ascension into heaven shortly after her death) ……………………………-—————————————————……1950 A.D.
26. Mary proclaimed Mother of the Church……………………… 1965 A.D.
Matthew 7:5 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)
5 Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam in thy own eye, and then shalt thou see to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.
It’s wrong and can be proved so from Scripture.
They teach things not found in Scripture and claim it’s the truth.
And they don’t teach things that are found in Scripture and so ignore the truth.
The church is preaching things that they claim are necessary for salvation that are counter to Scripture. People will go to hell for following that path instead of following Jesus.
If you don’t care that people are going to hell over believing lies, then that’s your choice.
I think people make their own choices about faith and denominations. God will sort it out.
That John was one slick dude!
He foreknew that Revelation was going to be bound up with other writings by Rome a few centuries after his death.
Or maybe THIS means something else to Catholics.
Who get their panties in a wad because some writings the ECFs argued PASSIONATELY about earlier BEFORE 'including' them into THEIR canon.
A smart person wouldn't complain about 'removal' and yet say NOTHING about ADDING!!
If any man shall add to these things, God shall add unto him the plagues written in this book.
So noted: Call no man father gets explained away; while John 3:16 gets accepted in it's entirety.
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