...but I know that Sola Scripta-thingy is good enough to get someone saved and sent to Heaven!
Posted on 05/27/2017 9:15:17 AM PDT by ealgeone
Question: "What is the doctrine of the sufficiency of Scripture? What does it mean that the Bible is sufficient?"
Answer: The doctrine of the sufficiency of Scripture is a fundamental tenet of the Christian faith. To say the Scriptures are sufficient means that the Bible is all we need to equip us for a life of faith and service. It provides a clear demonstration of God’s intention to restore the broken relationship between Himself and humanity through His Son, Jesus Christ, our Savior through the gift of faith. No other writings are necessary for this good news to be understood, nor are any other writings required to equip us for a life of faith.
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Some of the books you’ve mention were added by the Council of Trent. The Old Testament that our Jewish believers used is the same as the early church fathers stated and what is in the Protestant bible. The Maccabees (and others) were never considered inspired until the Council of Trent.
Council of Carthage 397, 1600 years ago, just as written in the previous posts.
You neglected the Council of Jamnia of 90AD. Of course Catholics tend to dispute this council as much as they do the Council of Orange.
Canon 24. (Greek xxvii.) That nothing be read in church besides the Canonical Scripture Item, that besides the Canonical Scriptures nothing be read in church under the name of divine Scripture. But the Canonical Scriptures are as follows: Genesis. Exodus. Leviticus. Numbers. Deuteronomy. Joshua the Son of Nun. The Judges. Ruth. The Kings, iv. books. The Chronicles, ij. books. Job. The Psalter. The Five books of Solomon. The Twelve Books of the Prophets. Isaiah. Jeremiah. Ezechiel. Daniel. Tobit. Judith. Esther. Ezra, ij. books. Macchabees, ij. books. The New Testament. The Gospels, iv. books. The Acts of the Apostles, j. book. The Epistles of Paul, xiv. The Epistles of Peter, the Apostle, ij. The Epistles of John the Apostle, iij. The Epistles of James the Apostle, j. The Epistle of Jude the Apostle, j. The Revelation of John, j. book. Let this be sent to our brother and fellow bishop, Boniface, and to the other bishops of those parts, that they may confirm this canon, for these are the things which we have received from our fathers to be read in church.
I didn’t have time to properly research the dating of the material. While that may make for sloppy posting, it doesn’t negate my point that Protestants follow the Council of Jamnia of 90 AD.
I’m surprise that you failed to mentioned the Council of Jamnia.
I will try to do better but I’m rather busy with the Catholics comparing me to Emperor Palpatine.
Psst...just a word of advice. Wikipedia is not a good source for reliable information. Most likely it has been edited by the Vatican. :O)
BTW-I’ve started to read the early church fathers and it is incredibly interesting though dull and difficult reading. The early church apparently had far more problems with the Greeks then they did with the Jews. Many of the early Christians were executed not for causing trouble with the Jews but because they would not confess to the state sanctioned religion (e.g. Zeus, etc.) It has given me a new level of respect for Paul who mission was to go to the Gentiles. I bring this up because it would have been understandable for the Jewish believers in 90AD to want to exclude Gentile believers from codifying the scriptures. Many of the Gentile believers had some very serious issues much like the Corinthians. I doubt any of us would have wanted the Corinthians to have a say in what should be included in the scriptures.
Apparently many of you also do not believe. The One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church therefore could only grow from the mustard seed of the eleven...the twelve minus Judas. Which group do you belong to, the many, the Judases, or the eleven? Those of you, practicing or non, who have the indelible mark on your souls from your Catholic Baptism, when you stand before Jesus in judgement will have to give an accounting for that Baptism. Hebrews 9:27 afirms that: "and as it is appointed unto men once to die, and after this the judgement..." All the rest will have to give an accounting for not having that indelible mark. Since He says in Hebrews 8:10: "I will give My laws into their mind, and in their heart will I write them: and I will be their God, and they shall be My people..." All who call themselves Christian will also have to give an accounting as though they had been baptized.
The word Bishop in Greek is Episcopo which means Watchman, as in Ezekiel 33. I therefore am obligated as a watchman to give you these words of Spirit and Life. As St. Paul would say "I would not have you ignorant" my brothers and sisters. The Gospel of Jesus Christ is of Love and the Kingdom and you have turned it into a hammer with which you beat each other. This is NOT Spirit and Life. In this case as in most, it's better for you to be with the few who love rather than the many who are incredulous or the one who is a devil. 1 John 4:20&21 puts it very succinctly: "If any man say, I love God, and hates his brother; he is a liar. For he that loves not his brother, whom he sees, how can he love God, whom he sees not? And this commandment we have from GOD, that He, who loves GOD, love also his brother."
And so, my little children, love one another as God loves you, and continuously ask yourself how you would receive what you are about to post and ask if it's something that Jesus would say. This is a most important and proper use of Scripture.
In the Love of Christ,
The Trad Bishop
How can you MISS what you've just posted??
Yes; let's read what came EARLIER in the sixth chapter...
A DIRECT question deserves a DIRECT answer:
25 When they found him on the other side of the lake, they asked him, “Rabbi, when did you get here?”
26 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, you are looking for me, not because you saw the signs I performed but because you ate the loaves and had your fill. 27 Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. For on him God the Father has placed his seal of approval.”
28 Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”
29 Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”
30 So they asked him, “What sign then will you give that we may see it and believe you? What will you do? 31 Our ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness; as it is written: ‘He gave them bread from heaven to eat.’[c]”
32 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, it is not Moses who has given you the bread from heaven, but it is my Father who gives you the true bread from heaven. 33 For the bread of God is the bread that comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”
34 “Sir,” they said, “always give us this bread.”
35 Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty. 36 But as I told you, you have seen me and still you do not believe. 37 All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. 38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. 40 For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.”
...but I know that Sola Scripta-thingy is good enough to get someone saved and sent to Heaven!
Used to, until I read the Scriptures.
Once I studied church history and Greek and the History of Doctrine - and the entire Scriptures, verse by verse, chapter by chapter, book by book, I realized the majority of the catholic denominational teachings didn't arise until paganism was integrated into the church.
It isn't odd at all. Please remember that all the apostles were former Jews.
BTW-I'm not sure what to make of the comment "none of the Apostles are former Jews". Perhaps I'm not understanding your point. It is clear that, whatever the motive of Judas Iscariot, he didn't accept Christ as his Savior. But as to the rest of the apostles, I would hope we would agree they were Jewish believers.
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