I don’t understand how you can stand
wallowing around with these jabbering, spittle-flecked demons.
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Posted on 05/13/2017 6:28:38 AM PDT by Salvation
Q. I know that the Church believes in Mary’s perpetual virginity, but what are we to make of the passages in the Gospel that refer to Jesus’ brothers and sisters?
Rose, via email
A. There are a number of places in the New Testament (see Mk 3:31-34; 6:3; Mt 12:46; 13:55; Lk 8:19-20; Jn 2:12; 7:3-10; Acts 1:14; and 1 Cor 9:5) where Jesus’ kinsfolk are mentioned using terms such as “brother” (adelphos), “sister” (adelphe) or “brethren” (adelphoi). But “brother” has a wider meaning both in the Scriptures and at the time they were written. It is not restricted to our literal meaning of a full brother or half-brother in the sense of sibling.
Even in the Old Testament “brother” had a wide range of meaning. In the Book of Genesis, for example, Lot is called Abraham’s brother (see 14:14), but his father was Haran — Abraham’s brother (Gn 11:26-28). So, Lot was actually a nephew of Abraham.
The term “brother” could also refer widely to friends or mere political allies (see 2 Sm 1:26; Am 1:9). Thus, in family relationships, “brother” could refer to any male relative from whom you are not descended. We use words like kinsmen and cousins today, but the ancient Jews did not.
In fact, neither Hebrew nor Aramaic had a word meaning “cousin.” They used terms such as “brother,” “sister” or, more rarely, “kin” or “kinsfolk” (syngenis) — sometimes translated as “relative” in English.
James, for example, whom St. Paul called the “brother of the Lord” (Gal 1:19), is identified by Paul as an apostle and is usually understood to be James the Younger. But James the Younger is elsewhere identified as the son of Alphaeus (also called Clopas) and his wife, Mary (see Mt 10:3; Jn 19:25). Even if James the Greater were meant by St. Paul, it is clear that he is from the Zebedee family, and not a son of Mary or a brother of Jesus (in the strict modern sense) at all.
The early Church was aware of the references to Jesus’ brethren, but was not troubled by them, teaching and handing on the doctrine of Mary’s perpetual virginity. This is because the terms referring to Jesus’ brethren were understood in the wider, more ancient sense. Widespread confusion about this began to occur after the 16th century with the rise of Protestantism and the loss of understanding the semantic nuances of ancient family terminology.
Since you persist in posting non-biblical 'information' that shows that Catholics believe Mary is MUCH MORE than a NORMAL human being, EVERYTHING you say interests me.
I hope you do not get tired of seeing so much SCRIPTURE used to refute Rome's vain imaginations.
There is no scriptural mention that any of Jesus' cousins were older than him.
I have to admit that I've failed to notice it.
Could you show it to me from and older; MUCH MORE reliable translation?
41 And his parents went every year to Jerusalem, at the solemn day of the pasch,
42 And when he was twelve years old, they going up into Jerusalem, according to the custom of the feast,
43 And having fulfilled the days, when they returned, the child Jesus remained in Jerusalem; and his parents knew it not.
44 And thinking that he was in the company, they came a day's journey, and sought him among their kinsfolks and acquaintance.
45 And not finding him, they returned into Jerusalem, seeking him.
46 And it came to pass, that, after three days, they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, hearing them, and asking them questions.
47 And all that heard him were astonished at his wisdom and his answers.
48 And seeing him, they wondered. And his mother said to him: Son, why hast thou done so to us? behold thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing.
49 And he said to them: How is it that you sought me? did you not know, that I must be about my father's business?
50 And they understood not the word that he spoke unto them.
51 And he went down with them, and came to Nazareth, and was subject to them. And his mother kept all these words in her heart.
52 And Jesus advanced in wisdom, and age, and grace with God and men.
It seems a LOT of folks understand not when Jesus speaks!
Indeed it is!
That I can tell you in one word:
Oh?
Your OWN WORDS seem to belie this 'fact'.
This account has been banned or suspended.
And yet the One True Church is quite interested in any NEW findings of OLD scripture in remote and obscure places.
History PROVES that the disqualifying flaw; of the One True Church; is in it's insistance that all those who came AFTER them are in error.
"One indeed is the universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved, in which the priest himself is the sacrifice, Jesus Christ, whose body and blood are truly contained in the sacrament of the altar under the species of bread and wine; the bread (changed) into His body by the divine power of transubstantiation, and the wine into the blood, so that to accomplish the mystery of unity we ourselves receive from His (nature) what He Himself received from ours."
--Pope Innocent III and Lateran Council IV (A.D. 1215)
It is enough; however; to send a Call to Arms! to an awaiting mass of Crusaders just slathering to rend any naysayers into tiny bits.
Heck; even ROME states this!!
But that doesn't cut it much with MOST Catholics who still suckle the breast like Romulus and Remus!
Memo?
WHAT 'memo'???
Rome had it's chance to place ALL of it's 'early tradtions' into the BOOK that it assembled.
It failed to do the job; and now it wants to complain that folks won't toe the line.
The question was answered; so long ago...
Here is a non sequiter to that. What happened to Limbo? 😀
What has happened to Limbo?
Has it vanished like Disco?
Is there a slight chance
to resurrect an old dance?
On the case we’ll, must get Columbo!
Limbo the place, not Limbo the stick.
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