Posted on 04/29/2017 8:02:13 AM PDT by NYer
As we pray for the success of Pope Francis’ trip to Egypt this weekend, a perfect prayer to use is the oldest known Marian prayer, which in fact, traces back to the pope’s host country.
The oldest known Marian prayer is found on an ancient Egyptian papyrus dating from around the year 250. Today known in the Church as the Sub tuum praesidium, the prayer is believed to have been part of the Coptic Vespers liturgy during the Christmas season.
The original prayer was written in Greek and according to Roseanne Sullivan, “The prayer is addressed to Our Lady using the Greek word Θεοτόκος, which is an adjectival form of Θεοφόρος (Theotokos, or God-bearer) and is more properly translated as ‘she whose offspring is God.'” This helps to prove that the early Christians were already familiar with the word “Theotokos” well before the Third Ecumenical Council at Ephesus ratified its usage.
Below can be found the original Greek text from the papyrus, along with an English translation as listed on the New Liturgical Movement website:
| On the papyrus, we can read: .ΠΟ ΕΥCΠΑ ΚΑΤΑΦΕ ΘΕΟΤΟΚΕΤ ΙΚΕCΙΑCΜΗΠΑ ΕΙΔΗCΕΜΠΕΡΙCTAC AΛΛΕΚΚΙΝΔΥΝΟΥ …ΡΥCΑΙΗΜΑC MONH …HEΥΛΟΓ |
And an English translation could be: Under your mercy we take refuge, Mother of God! Our prayers, do not despise in necessities, but from the danger deliver us, only pure, only blessed. |
More commonly the prayer is translated:
Beneath your compassion,
We take refuge, O Mother of God:
do not despise our petitions in time of trouble:
but rescue us from dangers,
only pure, only blessed one.
Several centuries later a Latin prayer was developed and is more widely known in the Roman Catholic Church:
| Latin Text Sub tuum praesidium confugimus, Sancta Dei Genetrix. Nostras deprecationes ne despicias in necessitatibus nostris, sed a periculis cunctis libera nos semper, Virgo gloriosa et benedicta |
English Text We fly to Thy protection, O Holy Mother of God; Do not despise our petitions in our necessities, but deliver us always from all dangers, O Glorious and Blessed Virgin. Amen. |
The prayer is currently part of the Byzantine, Roman and Ambrosian rites in the Catholic Church and is used specifically as a Marian antiphon after the conclusion of Compline outside of Lent (in the older form of the Roman breviary). It is also a common prayer that has stood the test of time and is a favorite of many Christians, and is the root of the popular devotional prayer, the Memorare.
No there isn't.
Mary is treated the same by Catholics and considered actually MORE sympathetic towards people than God/Jesus is.
Catholics pray to both Mary and God.
Catholics bow before images of both Mary and God.
Catholics capitalize the names of both Mary and God, something that is supposed to be reserved for Deity only.
Catholics claims that Mary was without sin, as was Jesus.
Catholics teach that Mary answers prayer as God does.
Catholics consecrate themselves to Mary, something I don't see encouraged or mentioned concerning Jesus.
How many PROTs on FR disclose their particular denomination? I’ve seen many asked that question who refuse to answer.
Speaking for myself, I do not treat Mary and God/Jesus the same. It may appear that some Christians who are Catholic do, but those that do are not following the teachings of God through Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit, nor are they following the teachings of the Church.
May the Peace of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ be with you.
Rich
I believe you.
It may appear that some Christians who are Catholic do, but those that do are not following the teachings of God through Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit, nor are they following the teachings of the Church.
However, even the church is guilty of some of those things.
May the Peace of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ be with you.
And also with you.
(Some things never leave you.)
Refuse?
You've not asked, but I attend a Wesleyan congregation.
Try as you must, there is no request or need for one by Elisha in "O my father, my father, the chariot of Israel, and the horsemen thereof." Elisha had no need to request anything since he was already promised what he had requested, but expresses grief at the loss of his spiritual father. Neither his exclamation of "My father, my father..." by him nor by Joash was asking anything, but are both are lamentations of honor such as Jews might give at the passing of someone.
Joash weeps over the impending loss of Elisha, who is neither is given nor answers any request, nor even shows sympathy, but in response he continues to fulfill his role as a prophet by foretelling what God will do, yet reproving the king for his lack of zeal.
That you get prayers out of these honorifics expressed due the loss of someone again testifies to Catholic desperation in their private interpretation. Again, give it up and admit it call comes from extraBiblical tradition.
Post of the week!!!
Bwahahahaa, did you stomp your widdle feet when you wrote that? LOL
I just consider what you say nothing more than OPINIONS only, no more, no less .
It's one of those "feel good" things that negates what Christ has done on the Cross.
The blood of Christ is more than sufficient to cleanse us from all sin. That's what Christianity teaches.
I consider the question irrelevant. #1 I can/have attend different church's with ease. #2 My identity is with Christ NOT a denomination with which we may not agree with everything.#3 I've attended home church's with no particular denomination. #4 The denomination doesn't save you, Jesus does. #5 I don't have to attend any church because me and my wife are a church (where two or more are gathered together in My name . . ).
Then you'll forgive us when we consider the same for your postings, eh?
“How many PROTs on FR disclose their particular denomination?
Denominations???
Dude, you’re missing the big picture.
Christianity is about salvation and eternal life through His sacrifice and through no merit of our own.
Lift your eyes higher to Him. Throw away your heads and hexagrams and idols.
You can have eternal life in Him today.
Why focus on the l seer things on earth???
The NT only remotely mentions one denomination....John the Baptist!
Are you a member of a particular denomination?
If so, which one?
If not, are you a member of a non-denominational congregation?
Thanks for proving my point.
You’ve not asked, but I attend a Wesleyan congregation.
I remember you mentioning it. But as you can see from other posts, there are those who refuse to disclose if or where they attend a particular congregation. Which is fine. If they don’t want to share the manner in which they practice their faith, I don’t need to know.
Again, here is your answer:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3548547/posts?page=394#394
Not a problem. I don't know what exactly you think you've "proved", but if you're happy then all is well. really I believe in "bathroom religion". Nobody can go to the bathroom for you and the same thing applies to religion. It's really just you and God. Not you and your religion and God but YOU and GOD, period. It's that personal. There is no safety in numbers, tradition, denomination or fancy theology. When it comes to the White Throne judgement, there will be no Catholic priest, Pope or congregation in your corner. There is no grading on the curve. No "he was a good guy and liked cats". Just you and God. Denomination will be out the window. There are no denominations in Heaven.
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