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To: NYer

So the coins date to 29 CE? Hmmmm.... Please ignore the carbon 14 testing which dates the actual shroud to 1260–1390 CE.

So silly...


11 posted on 04/26/2017 4:51:20 AM PDT by HypatiaTaught (Trump's victory makes me smile 24/7)
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To: HypatiaTaught
Please ignore the flawed carbon 14 testing which dates the actual shroud to 1260–1390 CE.
12 posted on 04/26/2017 5:01:40 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Hillary: Go to jail. Go directly to jail. Do not pass GO. Do not collect 2 billion dollars.)
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To: HypatiaTaught
C-14 testing is most accurate for things that have been sealed away. The shroud hasn't been. There are reasons to suspect that the repairs after the fire in 1532 may have compromised the carbon dating.

Additionally, nobody has come up with a viable explanation for how an artist in the 13th century came up with a method to impress an anatomically perfect image of a crucified man onto the cloth. It's not painted on.

13 posted on 04/26/2017 5:01:42 AM PDT by Campion (Halten Sie sich unbedingt an die Lehre!)
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To: HypatiaTaught

There were issues with that dating test, the shroud has many open questions concerning it’s origins.

These people are merely trying to answer them.


16 posted on 04/26/2017 5:43:30 AM PDT by phormer phrog phlyer
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To: HypatiaTaught
The reason the carbon tests came up at that time is because of a fire that almost destroyed the shroud.

Then again I wonder if this is a hoax is it possible that whoever made the shroud had access to coins that were found during Roman times?

One wonders. Me? I don't need a burial rag to tell me that Jesus Christ is lord.

27 posted on 04/26/2017 6:32:53 AM PDT by mainestategop (DonÂ’t Let Freedom Slip Away! After America , There is No Place to Go)
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To: HypatiaTaught

Carbon testing measures the ratio of C14 to C12. The shroud of turin was in a fire. That distorts the carbon ratio.


34 posted on 04/26/2017 7:14:03 AM PDT by dangus
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To: HypatiaTaught

“Please ignore the carbon 14 testing which dates the actual shroud to 1260–1390 CE.”

Please ignore that the carbon testing was not performed on the Shroud itself, but on a medieval patch.

“So silly...”

You can’t Alinsky the Shroud.


37 posted on 04/26/2017 7:33:30 AM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: HypatiaTaught
So the coins date to 29 CE? Hmmmm.... Please ignore the carbon 14 testing which dates the actual shroud to 1260–1390 CE.

The carbon dating which did so date what was tested to those dates has been invalidated due to violation of the sampling protocols which allowed the eight called for samples to be devolved down to a single sample taken from the one area the scientists had said should be completely avoided on the shroud because it was chemically and physically different from the main body of the Shroud.

It has now been shown TIMES THREE in peer reviewed published scientific research to be a mixture of probable 16th Century DYED COTTON patching threads interwoven with original UNDYED FLAXEN LINEN threads of the main body of the shroud. This melange of contaminating newer and older original material combined when tested to return testing dates from the three C-14 labs, ranging from a low of 1260AD to 1390AD that DID NOT OVERLAP in their +/- 25 year degree of confidence of ANY of the tested sub-samples, which, although taken from the same master-sample, should have been a big red flag for the testers that what they were testing was not homogenous! Unfortunately, they were blinded by their prejudices and it did not occur to them they were several sigmas outside the range of normality for such a result for a homogenous sample.

Remaining piece of the master sample has been examined and found to be cotton on one side, and flax on the other side, skillfully interwoven by a technique called French Invisible Reweaving, developed in the 15th Century to repair expensive Arrases and Tapestries when they got worn. It literally involved twisting the fibers of the original threads into fibers of replacement new threads to continue and replace an area that had been so badly damaged it had to be "rewoven" and replaced. The corner the sample for C-14 testing had been the corner from which the Shroud had been hung, held onto by priests, and carried around by for centuries, on at least a weekly basis and apparently had become tattered. It was repaired using dyed European Cotton to match the original Flax threads, which is recognizable under a microscope.

The inventor of the C-14 technique used to date the sample of the Shroud, when asked what date the original material would have had to have been when mixed with a contaminating substance in the proportion as the Shroud sample to produce the 1350AD averaged date, did some calculations and said "1st century, give or take 100 years."

Even the leader of the 1988 testing has agreed that the Shroud testing has been compromised by the violation of the sampling protocols right from the beginning.

47 posted on 04/26/2017 10:46:19 AM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: HypatiaTaught
The C-14 testing was from an anomolous portion of the Shroud which contained foreign material; the three measurements were outside of each others' error bars; and as the placement of each sample varied the amount of foreign fabric, so did that sample's estimated age decrease.

Do you even science, bro?

59 posted on 04/26/2017 6:23:24 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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