If you pray for me, please do so to God as all prayer is to be directed to Him.
Saying that prayer to God for aid in holiness armors us against Hell in no way violates anything in Ephesians 6:10-17. When Jesus taught us to pray the Our Father one of the specific things we were to pray for was forgiveness of our sins and His aid in avoiding sin (Matthew 6:9-13). In the Rosary, we ask Mary to intercede for us with God so we can avoid sin and avoid Hell.
I always find it amazing that no where do we have any of the NT writers telling us to pray to Mary or to rely upon Mary for answered prayer or salvation.
One of the problems with the Rosary is the overwhelming emphasis on prayer to Mary.
And are we not instructed to avoid vain repetitious prayers? The Rosary certainly seems to fall into that category.
“11) What you ask through my Rosary, you shall obtain.”
This emphasizes Mary’s role as an advocate for us. Of course, all requests are subject to God’s will - and He naturally answers according to His plan in regard to our need and disposition.
Your note..."all requests are subject to God's will" is in contradiction of the open ended promise of the Rosary.
The promise is not absolute. An ignorant person might take it that way. A person with no regard for the truth who wishes to attack the Catholic Church would certainly portray it that way.
Whatever you ask....sure sounds like an absolute.
>> “5) Those who trust themselves to me through the Rosary, shall not perish.”<<
The Virgin Mary is a spiritual mother to us since she is our Lord’s mother and He is our Savior and Brother, and she’s a great advocate for us with her Divine Son as well.
No where in the NT is Mary ever accorded being our "spiritual mother." Another false claim of Roman Catholicism. It illustrates again that Jesus is somehow insufficient for the Roman Catholic.
Christians have always sought out her assistance and the Church even points this out in the beautiful Memorare prayer, “never was it known that anyone who fled to your protection, implored your help or sought your intercession, was left unaided”.
You would be more accurate in saying Roman Catholics have always sought out her assistance. And the word always is a stretch as that is an absolute word.
I know many people who have been aided through Mary’s intercession.
Of which we can neither confirm or deny.
This was foreseen in the story of the Wedding of Cana.,
Promise 5 is telling the person to trust themselves to "me"...that is the apparition.
It is is in contrast to the NT where we are told to trust ourselves to Jesus...not Mary. Just one of the many reasons Roman Catholics worship "Mary".
Mary, as we see her in the Bible, would never tell anyone that "those who trust themselves to me through the Rosary, shall not perish." She would be appalled at anything that took away the focus from Christ.
The wedding of Cana has been one of the most abused passages of Scripture by Roman Catholics to justify a whole range of false teachings regarding the Roman Catholic "Mary".
“If you pray for me, please do so to God as all prayer is to be directed to Him.”
I wil pray to Mary through God’s power for her intercession with Christ. All for your benefit. Enjoy.
“I always find it amazing that no where do we have any of the NT writers telling us to pray to Mary or to rely upon Mary for answered prayer or salvation.”
I don’t find it at all amazing that no where do we have any of the NT writers telling us to believe in sola fide (it’s actually denounced if anything) or to practice sola scriptura. I also don’t find it at all amazing Protestants believe in sola fide and sola scriptura anyway.
“One of the problems with the Rosary is the overwhelming emphasis on prayer to Mary.”
No, it’s not a problem for a Marian prayer to be a Marian prayer.
“And are we not instructed to avoid vain repetitious prayers?”
We do. The Rosary is not vain. And repetition in itself is not an issue since Christ Himself repeated His prayers (Mark 14).
“The Rosary certainly seems to fall into that category.”
Nope.
“Your note...”all requests are subject to God’s will” is in contradiction of the open ended promise of the Rosary.”
Nope. We have always known that “all requests are subject to God’s will”.
“Whatever you ask....sure sounds like an absolute.”
But it wasn’t. Haven’t you ever read Matthew 21:22? “And whatever you ask in prayer, you will receive, if you have faith.” Clearly even that is not an absolute. Everyone here will admit they have prayed for something and had faith and still did not receive what they prayed for as they wanted it. Friends sometimes still die of cancer, couples sometimes still divorce, etc.
“No where in the NT is Mary ever accorded being our “spiritual mother.””
Many say she is - in the Gospel of John, for instance. But even if it were explicitly in scripture, i.e. the words were literally there in black and white, you would probably deny it.
“Another false claim of Roman Catholicism.”
Nope. Only yours.
“It illustrates again that Jesus is somehow insufficient for the Roman Catholic.”
No, it illustrates that Jesus is suprasufficient - so much so that He shares His offices with His saints.
“You would be more accurate in saying Roman Catholics have always sought out her assistance.”
Catholics have. And Eastern Orthodox. And Oriental Orthodox. And Anglicans. And some Lutherans. I was MORE ACCURATE than you.
“And the word always is a stretch as that is an absolute word.”
You’re stretching. Desperately apparently.
“Of which we can neither confirm or deny.”
No, there are cases that can be confirmed from eye witness testimony, for instance.
“It is is in contrast to the NT where we are told to trust ourselves to Jesus...not Mary. Just one of the many reasons Roman Catholics worship “Mary”.”
We don’t worship her and we can trust Jesus through His mother. Remember her words, “Do whatever he tells you.”
“Mary, as we see her in the Bible, would never tell anyone that “those who trust themselves to me through the Rosary, shall not perish.””
Except the quote (John 2:5) shows she was saying that people should trust her words about trusting in Him and His power to save you when in need.
“She would be appalled at anything that took away the focus from Christ.”
Marian devotions always turn the focus to Christ.
“The wedding of Cana has been one of the most abused passages of Scripture by Roman Catholics to justify a whole range of false teachings regarding the Roman Catholic “Mary”.”
No, the Wedding of Cana has just been one of the most poorly understood passages of Scripture on the part of Protestants anti-Catholics to dismiss a whole range of true teachings about Mary.
“One follow up....I noticed you didn’t answer previously.
Do you wear the Scapular?”
No.
“Maybe the Miraculous Medal?”
No.
“I’ve misrepresented nothing.”
yes, you have. You always do.
“However, I can see where this conversation is going.”
It’s going where it always goes: You make false statements and I reject them. Then you make the false statements again.
“Have a good evening vlad.”
I will.
Just what DID Mary say??