Posted on 04/10/2017 6:40:46 PM PDT by fishtank
Evangelical Apologist Hank Hanegraaff Converts to Eastern Orthodoxy
Posted by: Rob Bowman
On Palm Sunday, April 9, 2017, Hank Hanegraaff formally joined the Orthodox Church. Since 1989 Hanegraaff has been the President of the Christian Research Institute (CRI) and (since ca. 1992) the host of CRI’s Bible Answer Man radio program.[1] Hank, his wife Kathy, and two of their twelve children were inducted by a sacramental rite called chrismation into the Orthodox faith at St. Nektarios Greek Orthodox Church in Charlotte, North Carolina, near where CRI is based. In chrismation, a baptized individual is anointed with oil in order to receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.[2]
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I'm done with you --for now.
“STUFF IT.”
You need to grow up.
“I’m done with you —for now.”
You were done a long time ago, remember? But, apparently, you can’t help yourself.
Oh, and stop private messaging profanities to me. Stop private messaging me altogether. Say whatever it is you want to say to me right here where everyone can see it. Be the same in public as you are in private.
I already did. Now again you're trying to milk it -- while misrepresenting things, just wee bit, just enough to make it appear to those who are not privy to it all, that it's been non-stop. That's another reason that private messages are not to be mentioned.
Didn't I tell you about that in private, also? Yes I did. So I repeat that here. As requested.
Well, BB, are you surprised? 😀😆😄
Rather than "accidental" I might call it not quite serendipitous, but perhaps adventitious (cropping up where one might not have expected it, due mainly to the equal causative factor).
Know what I mean?
Yes, I do. And my inclination is to look at the situation the way Paul, former full-fledged candidate for the Sanhedrin and graduate of the ben Gamaliel Seminary as well as graduate of Tarsus University, had to deal with such universalists. That's why in contending for The Faith once delivered to the saints, one of the key guidelines guiding my approach is 2 Cor. 11:2-6, standing on the theme of the letter to the converts of Galatae, his first churches, especially the Gal. 1:8,9 excerpt:
"But though we*, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you thancontrary to that which we* have preached unto you, let him be accursedαναθεμα. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any otherG2087 gospel unto you thancontrary to that ye have received, let him be accursedαναθεμα."
Now, regarding Paul's continued wrestling with the divisive elements in Corinth, on the same basis (2 Cor. 11:2-6):
"For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband,
that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your
minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
For if he that cometh preacheth anotherG0243 Jesus, whom we have not preached, or
if ye receive anotherG2087 spirit, which ye have not received, or anotherG2087 gospel,
which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
For I suppose I was not a whit behind the very chiefest apostles.
But though I be rude in speech, yet not in knowledge; but we have been throughly made
manifest among you in all things."
Notes:
we* = Paul and all the brethren which are with him, presumptively same-minded in doctrine; cf. 6:15-16<
G0243 = αλλον (allon) = another of the same kind; compare with Mt. 4:21,12:13; Jn. 14:16; Gal. 1:7)
G2087 = ετερον (heteron) = another of a different kind (See Acts 17:7; Rom. 7:3 (2x),4,23; 1 Cor. 8:4; Gal. 1:6).
So, here we go: It is my perception with tons of Scriptural backup, that Jesus' Evangel, the Biblical Gospel of redemption--that is, salvation from the penalty, power, and eventually presence of sin and its consequence, eternally excruciating waterless death--is dependent on one's confession of sins and sinfulness, together with committing oneself to irrevocable trust in the Jesus of the Bible and His faithfulness, solely; that a person's good works do not enter into the salvation equation at all--they are neither required nor desired to obtain the free--absolutely free to the penitent applicant--gift of salvation based on the redemptive cost of Jesus' blood alone as the ransom price. And when that freedom from the burden of sin and guilt is given, it is instantaneously effected from four aspects: (1) placement as an heir of salvation as a child of God as being both reborn in the Spirit and placed by adoption as an heir, (2) salvation from the burden of sin, (3) justification from the guilt of sin, and (4) freedom from the power of sin (thus permitting progressive sanctification, of which the ordinance of public profession by submitting to the induction rite of water immersion is necessary to become a fully accredited member of a local church).
That is the Bible's account of God's program for salvation.
On the other hand, and to the contrary, it is well known that the Catholic Gospel requires several acts comprising works on the part of the individual, and/or of other participants, to validate one's candidacy for the gift of salvation in extremis; that is, at or after the departure of one's soul from the human body envelope which it has occupied since conception.
In that scheme, the human must rely on some form of baptism thought to be the requisite activity by which the Catholic God remits sins both of commission and omission up to the point of baptism with holy water, an application by one or another approved means, of the holified water by a certified officer of the religious organization; PLUS the accomplishment of beneficial works during one's life as factors causing or promoting God's act of salvation; over and above the Cross-death of Jesus of Nazareth.
If that hasn't been completely satisfied at death, there is one more option after this world, and that is for one's soul to be imprisoned in a place and phase called "purgatory," where, for some indeterminate period of time, the unconfessed or unpaid-penitence sentence is expurgated by some kind of punishment. On the upside, a few living well-meaning associates can shorten that time by purchasing a priest's time for extra masses to be said and credited to the person in Purgatory, but the remaining time is still in the air. So that can always be a method, sometimes urgent, source of revenue where the benefits are determined by the largesse of the donor. Son? Daughter? Brother? Sister? Fellow K. C. pal? Not the priesthood, of course.
Then also, little infants who have passed on before being "paedo-baptized" may end up in a zone called "Limbo." Although this scheme is not an official doctrine of the Roman church, the hard line rule that no soul can be saved apart from holy baptism is vexing, especially since there are millions of mothers and a superfluity of aborted "fetuses," thus now the doctrine of "Limbo" is still a theological football that has been kicked around for a couple of thousand years--and now furiously--without ever even approaching the end zone to score a win, or end-of-game in time.
I don't know what happens to unwittingly and unwillingly baptized children who die before "confirmation," but I suspect those afflicted with ADHD are going to experience a lot of discomfort before the get to GWT time.
So, this Catholic "Jesus," generally fitting the descriptive saga of the Bible (but without an exact conformation to the total context in this Book that is all about God's True Messiah), does not really have the power of saving any individual by his works alone, not even babies, nor is the process instantaneous. The Heaven-deluded communicant is expected to make his/her own contribution. AAnd probably, it will never be enough in real time.
Hence, one cannot know that he/she is slated for everlasting life, until finally, at the Great White Throne Judgment, he/she will be apprised of the outcome.
This leaves one in the situation where one can decide to participate in this religious enterprise, but can only hope that they are not left in the lurch if it doesn't work out for them even if they strive to follow all the rules, confess one's shortcomings, escape predatory priests, and go to death pre-oiled for the long slide.
OR:
They can turn to anotherof a different kind of gospelthe real one, that of the Real Jesus, the Friend of the Lost and dying in sin reprobate; a Gospel that is a more sure, Biblical approach to an abundant, everlasting life that only gets better when the old human husk is shed, and one's soul finds residence and rest with the Gracious Heavenly Father; and eventually receives a new, spiritual body that can penetrate massive structures and go through them at will, leap over tall buildings in a single bound; and can experience ineffable joy of fellowship with the lovingest Savior and His enormous variety of brothers and sisters raised from the dead (including my more greatly congenial Dad and Mom, and perhaps even my liberal Episcopally deaconized sister), which seems to me to be a much better choice than the one with another Jesus, of the same kind, but another gospel of a different kind that I didn't subscribe to originally, guided by another spirit of a different, inscrutable disposition and rulebook; one that the Bible describes in a very ominous way.
Are you with me, Blue?
(By now, I think we will have lost our Palatine audience.)
AND. Looks like Hank Hannegraaff might be missing the boat, too, eh? But he'll go pre-oiled, I guess. He'll probably have to log a lot of purgative hours, hmm?
Hope you had an Exalted Resurrection Day, BD!
Or get another dentist. At first I thought the title of this article was “Hank Hanegraaff Converts to Eastern Orthodontics.”
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>> “I never heard “Rome” teach any doctrine about Elijah’s and Enoch’s bodies. What’s your opinion?” <<
Do you not think it possible that they were “changed” just as we will be changed at the last trump, into actual individually created “sons of God” (i.e. bodies not born of women biologically, but fashioned by God like the Angels were).
This is what Yeshua discussed with Nicodemus in John 3.
430/666 x 100 = 64.564564564564564564564564 . . .ad infinitum %
Nothing more needs to be said, except maybe some are disciples, and I guess some are not. 😀
Pope Stephen VI (896–897), who had his predecessor Pope Formosus exhumed, tried, de-fingered, briefly reburied, and thrown in the Tiber.[1]
Pope John XII (955–964), who gave land to a mistress, murdered several people, and was killed by a man who caught him in bed with his wife.
Pope Benedict IX (1032–1044, 1045, 1047–1048), who "sold" the Papacy
Pope Boniface VIII (1294–1303), who is lampooned in Dante's Divine Comedy
Pope Urban VI (1378–1389), who complained that he did not hear enough screaming when Cardinals who had conspired against him were tortured.[2]
Pope Alexander VI (1492–1503), a Borgia, who was guilty of nepotism and whose unattended corpse swelled until it could barely fit in a coffin.[3]
Pope Leo X (1513–1521), a spendthrift member of the Medici family who once spent 1/7 of his predecessors' reserves on a single ceremony[4]
Pope Clement VII (1523–1534), also a Medici, whose power-politicking with France, Spain, and Germany got Rome sacked.
Matthew 23 various16. "Woe to you, blind guides! You say, `If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.'
17. You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred?19. You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred?
24. You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.
26. Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.33. "You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?
Blind people and snakes. You Catholics must love them!
Ah...
I see the ignorant act is still in play.
It seems you ‘not heard’ a lot of things.
That’s my ‘opinion’.
Good one!
Especially since there is much ‘Bite ME!’ going on in this thread!
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That’s the most obviously true thing you’ve ever said about me! The range of my ignorance is nearly infinite.
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