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1 posted on 02/15/2017 9:40:23 AM PST by Salvation
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To: nickcarraway; NYer; ELS; Pyro7480; livius; ArrogantBustard; Catholicguy; RobbyS; marshmallow; ...

Monsignor Pope Ping!


2 posted on 02/15/2017 9:41:39 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

“While we are not required as Catholics to interpret every detail of the flood story literally, there does seem to be some evidence (preserved in many ancient cultures) of a flood or “mega event” that drastically reduced the size of the human race. In addition, genetic, geological, and anthropological information point to a period some 70,000 years ago during which humans almost vanished from the planet [*].”

He refers to a volcanic eruption as a flood ..


3 posted on 02/15/2017 9:49:26 AM PST by TexasGator
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To: Salvation
While we are not required as Catholics to interpret every detail of the flood story literally, there does seem to be some evidence (preserved in many ancient cultures) of a flood or “mega event” that drastically reduced the size of the human race. In addition, genetic, geological, and anthropological information point to a period some 70,000 years ago during which humans almost vanished from the planet [*].

The catholic has serious problems in believing Genesis as actual events.

Yet Christ did not. "For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah." Matt 24:37

Peter seemed to understand it as an actual event.

5if He did not spare the ancient world when He brought the flood on its ungodly people, but preserved Noah, a preacher of righteousness, among the eight; 2 Peter 2:5

Perhaps if the catholic trusted the Word they would be able to trust Christ at His Word.

5 posted on 02/15/2017 10:00:18 AM PST by ealgeone
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To: Salvation

Given striking parallels in the accounts it seems a better idea to connect the Genesis flood with the flood described in the Sumerian/Akkadian records and epics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumerian_King_List#First_Dynasty_of_Kish

The desire to push it back to a time when it can plausibly cover the whole human race is completely understandable, but I just don’t think all told a prehistoric flood matches Genesis’s very clear setting in Neolithic Mesopotamia (farming, metals, herding, cities). Plus recent statistical modeling places the most recent common ancestor of all living humans as early as 3000 years ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most_recent_common_ancestor#TMRCA_of_all_living_humans


8 posted on 02/15/2017 10:44:01 AM PST by Claud
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To: Salvation

Christians are accepting too many premises set by the world (the Bible is a fairy tale!!!) and not doing enough research on their own to get to the truth. I see this in a lot of my studies. A shocking number of Bible commentaries shy away from the historical evidence, I guess due to fear of approaching the subject created by godless archaeologists.

The flood is just one example. Many secular Egyptologists are adamant that the Exodus was a myth with no archaeological evidence to back it up, and as a result, I see many Christians and Jews shy away from the subject, as if ashamed of their own Bible. But read David Rohl’s book, “Exodus: Myth or History?” It’s astonishing!


11 posted on 02/15/2017 11:22:40 AM PST by pcottraux ( depthsofpentecost.com)
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To: Salvation; Mark17
"The worst thing is not dying (which we all will do); it is refusing God’s merciful love though an impenitent heart."

The author might have meant to type 'through' instead of though an impenitent heart.

The author might do well to reread what Paul wrote about the coming Rapture of BELIEVERS. [1Thess$:13-18; 1Cor 15:512-53]

Thanks for the ping, Mark17, I would have missed this one.

15 posted on 02/15/2017 12:47:28 PM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: Salvation

Well, this is unfortunate. Looks like that is the last time I read from that website.


16 posted on 02/15/2017 1:41:05 PM PST by VaeVictis (~Woe to the Conquered~)
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To: Salvation

It was really 39 days 14 hours and 12 minutes, not 40 days.


20 posted on 02/15/2017 3:24:04 PM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Salvation

There is NOT one shred of evidence that flesh man existed 70,000 years ago.. in any shape, fashion, or form. Note I specifically said ‘flesh’. That is as far as I got... the whole ‘lesson’ is premised upon false data. Evolution is a fairy tale/tail.

God said why He sent that flood, because the ‘Sons of God’ (angelic beings) left their habitation and seduced flesh bodied women. Their offspring were called giants... all part of Satan’s attempt to pollute the bloodline to Christ.

Noah and his family were the only offspring from Adam and Eve that were ‘perfect’ genetically speaking, of course.

There is a ‘first’ flood described in Genesis 1:2, before any flesh bodies were formed. Jeremiah describes it and Peter tells about it as well.

When the devil rebelled as described in Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28 it was not flesh bodies that followed the devil.


28 posted on 02/16/2017 6:18:41 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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Oh, those Catholics! They can’t interpret anything literally except John 6!


30 posted on 02/16/2017 7:03:21 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Viriycho sogeret umesuggeret mipnei Benei Yisra'el; 'ein yotze' ve'ein ba'.)
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To: ebb tide; piusv; vladimir998

“Catholics-don’t-believe-in-the-Flood” ping.


35 posted on 02/16/2017 6:12:24 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Viriycho sogeret umesuggeret mipnei Benei Yisra'el; 'ein yotze' ve'ein ba'.)
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To: Salvation

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04702a.htm

The Catholic Encyclopedia supports the historicity of the Deluge.

“As to the view of Christian tradition, it suffices to appeal here to the words of Father Zorell who maintains that the Bible story concerning the Flood has never been explained or understood in any but a truly historical sense by any Catholic writer (cf. Hagen, Lexicon Biblicum). It would be useless labour and would exceed the scope of the present article to enumerate the long list of Fathers and Scholastic theologians who have touched upon the question. The few stray discordant voices belonging to the last fifteen or twenty years are simply drowned in this unanimous chorus of Christian tradition.”


37 posted on 02/17/2017 2:50:20 AM PST by piusv (Pray for a return to the pre-Vatican II (Catholic) Faith)
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