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Is the “God of Surprises” in favor of ordaining women?
AKA Catholic ^ | February 9, 2017 | Louie Verrecchio

Posted on 02/10/2017 1:01:48 PM PST by ebb tide

In the most recent edition of the Italian Jesuit bi-weekly magazine, La Civiltà Cattolica, the text of which is vetted by the Holy See prior to publication, an apologetic appears in favor of female ordination.

Sandro Magister, the well-known Vaticanista, offers an overview of the article on his blog, L’Espresso [available in English], wherein he reminds readers of a comment made by Francis on the return flight from Sweden last November 1st:

For the ordination of women in the Catholic Church, the last clear word was given by Saint John Paul II, and this holds.

Magister goes on to argue, however:

To read the latest issue of La Civiltà Cattolica, the question of women priests appears to be anything but closed. On the contrary, wide open.

Is it reasonable to believe that the so-called question of female ordination is truly “wide open” insofar as Francis is concerned?

Magister apparently thinks so, and I must agree.

I would remind those who might feel compelled to take comfort in Francis’ in-flight reference to Ordinatio Sacerdotalis how he unceremoniously upended the teaching set forth (more properly, re-affirmed) in Familiaris Consortio, also from John Paul II, concerning Communion for the divorced and civilly remarried.

In other words, we already know that, according to the mind of Francis, an immemorial practice based on Sacred Scripture and the Tradition of the Church only “holds” until such time as he and his merry band of modernists decides otherwise.

Fr. Giancarlo Pani, S.J., writing for La Civiltà Cattolica (the editor of which is Francis’ confidant, Fr. Anthony Spadaro, S.J.) provided the rationale for re-opening debate on matters that the Church has long since established as infallibly settled:

One cannot always resort to the past, as if only in the past are there indications of the Spirit. Today as well the Spirit is guiding the Church and suggesting the courageous assumption of new perspectives.

Translation: Don’t be surprised if the Holy Ghost, after nearly 2,000 years, just up and changes His mind!

Speaking of the “God of Surprises” – better known as Jorge Mario Bergoglio – Fr. Pani said:

Francis is the first “not to limit himself to what is already known, but wants to delve into a complex and relevant field, so that it may be the Spirit who guides the Church.”

According to Fr. Pani, the Church must take into consideration “developments that the presence of woman in the family and society has undergone in the 21st century.”

We’ve seen this act before, folks:

When Francis so “delves,” we end up with such “new perspectives” as the practical abrogation of mortal sin and a God who asks us to persist in adultery.

In spite of all this, I can imagine that even some “traditionalists” (aka Catholics) will choose to believe that Francis isn’t really thinking about opening debate on female ordination, but perhaps his latest Santa Marta homily will change their mind.

Preaching on the creation of woman as described in today’s Novus Ordo first reading, Genesis 2:18-25, Francis offered such insights as:

– “When women are not there, harmony is missing. We might say: But this is a society with a strong masculine attitude, and this is the case, no? The woman is missing.”

– “It is she who brings that harmony that teaches us to caress, to love with tenderness; and who makes the world a beautiful place.”

– “The purpose of women is to make harmony, and without women there is no harmony in the world.”

– “A woman is harmony, is poetry, is beauty. Without her the world would not be so beautiful, it would not be harmonious.”

Is it merely a coincidence that the aforementioned La Civiltà Cattolica article in support of female ordination appears in the current edition; published just as the Mass readings would provide Francis with a golden opportunity to declare such things?

Maybe so, but then again, maybe not…

Either way, if one reads Francis’ comments in relation to Fr. Pani’s article – the same that, as Sandro Magister writes, was evidently published “with the pope’s imprimatur” – one may well imagine a day when His Humbleness will boldly ask; rhetorically to be sure:

– Is it not the case that the priesthood has a strong masculine attitude?

– With woman missing from the priesthood, is it not the case that love is missing?

– Do we not all desire a Church that is harmonious, tender, and beautiful?

Let us hope and pray that this never happens. If it does, however, we can’t claim that we were blindsided.

After all, the “God of Surprises” is nothing if not predictable.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Theology
KEYWORDS: francischurch; womyndeacons; womynpriests
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1 posted on 02/10/2017 1:01:48 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide
The God of Surprise?”

That would be Loki


2 posted on 02/10/2017 1:03:54 PM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: ebb tide

No.


3 posted on 02/10/2017 1:04:25 PM PST by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: ebb tide

The moon is fickle.


4 posted on 02/10/2017 1:07:22 PM PST by aspasia
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To: ebb tide

In fact there are a LOT of Gods of Surprises.

But The Ancient of Days is NOT one of them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Trickster_gods


5 posted on 02/10/2017 1:10:04 PM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: ebb tide

No.


6 posted on 02/10/2017 1:12:58 PM PST by Albion Wilde ("January 20, 2017, will be remembered as the day the people became the rulers of this nation again.")
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To: ebb tide

SURPRISE!!!!!!!!

NO.


7 posted on 02/10/2017 1:18:35 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: ebb tide

If somebody doesn’t make some serious changes soon he may be surprised to find his skull used in the floor of the Inferno.


8 posted on 02/10/2017 1:22:09 PM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: ebb tide

He is not going to have female priests.


9 posted on 02/10/2017 1:23:18 PM PST by I want the USA back (Liberalism is a mental disorder without a cure.)
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To: I want the USA back
He is not going to have female priests.

Maybe not at first, but he's already working on womyn deacons. What's the next logical step after that?

10 posted on 02/10/2017 1:28:17 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: ebb tide

Christ, and by extension the Godhead He represents, is clear about who clergy can be:

Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.


11 posted on 02/10/2017 1:40:44 PM PST by afsnco (18 of 20 in AF JAG)
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To: ebb tide

He is the God of Revelation, not the God of surprises.


12 posted on 02/10/2017 2:40:50 PM PST by Petrosius
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To: I want the USA back

I remember when people said, “he will not allow communion to the divorced and remarried”.....


13 posted on 02/10/2017 4:27:20 PM PST by piusv (Pray for a return to the pre-Vatican II (Catholic) Faith)
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To: ebb tide

With all the homo priests in the Vatican II church, who needs female priests?


14 posted on 02/10/2017 4:30:06 PM PST by piusv (Pray for a return to the pre-Vatican II (Catholic) Faith)
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To: ebb tide

Jesus chose MEN as the first apostles. Why can’t everyone follow the example of Christ?


15 posted on 02/10/2017 4:59:56 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: ebb tide; redleghunter; Springfield Reformer; kinsman redeemer; BlueDragon; metmom; boatbums; ...

God is not in favor of ordaining women as pastors nor ordaining men as a separate class of believers distinctively called “priests” who (normally) are celibate, offer up the “real” flesh and blood of Christ as a sacrifice for sins, under the appearance of bread and wine that actually do not exist, and pray to created beings in Heaven. Both are foreign to the NT church.


16 posted on 02/10/2017 7:24:33 PM PST by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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To: daniel1212
This is easy.

If you take Scripture as your authority.

1 Timothy 2:12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor.

17 posted on 02/10/2017 7:38:43 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: ebb tide
Is the “God of Surprises” in favor of ordaining women?

Well...

Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for you are all one in Christ Jesus.


Although PAUL seemed to indicate something else at another time...

1 Timothy 2:12-14 NASB
But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet

18 posted on 02/11/2017 2:35:38 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom
Rome says:

1 Timothy 2:12
I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.
...unless it is Mary.




 




The 15 promises

(Given to St. Dominic and Blessed Alan de la Roche)

1 Whoever shall faithfully serve me by the recitation of the Rosary, shall receive powerful graces.
2. I promise my special protection and the greatest graces to all those who shall recite the Rosary.
3. The Rosary shall be a powerful armor against hell, it will destroy vice, decrease sin, and defeat heresies
4. It will cause virtue and good works to flourish; it will obtain for souls the abundant mercy of God; it will withdraw the hearts of people from the love of the world and its vanities, and will lift them to the desire of eternal things. Oh, that souls would sanctify themselves by this means.
5. The soul which recommends itself to me by the recitation of the Rosary, shall not perish.
6. Whoever shall recite the Rosary devoutly, applying Himself to the consideration of its Sacred Mysteries shall never be conquered by misfortune. God will not chastise Him in His justice, he shall not perish by an unprovided death; if he be just, he shall remain in the grace of God, and become worthy of eternal life.
7. Whoever shall have a true devotion for the Rosary shall not die without the Sacraments of the Church.
8. Those who are faithful to recite the Rosary shall have during their life and at their death the light of God and the plentitude of His graces; at the moment of death they shall participate in the merits of the Saints in Paradise.
9. I  shall deliver from purgatory those who have been devoted to the Rosary.
10. The faithful children of the Rosary shall merit a high degree of glory in Heaven.
11. You shall obtain all you ask of me by the recitation of the Rosary.
12. All those who propagate the Holy Rosary shall be aided by me in their necessities.
13. I  have obtained from my Divine Son that all the advocates of the Rosary shall have for intercessors the entire celestial court during their life and at the hour of death
14. All who recite the Rosary are my children, and brothers and sisters of my only Son, Jesus Christ.
15. Devotion of my Rosary is a great sign of predestination.

 

"The Most Holy Virgin in these last times in which we live has given a new efficacy to the recitation of the Rosary to such an extent that there is no problem,

no matter how difficult it is, wheter temporal or above all spiritual, in the personal life of each one of us, of our families...that cannot be solved by the Rosary.

There is no problem, I tell you, no matter how difficult it is, that we cannot resolve by the prayer of the Holy Rosary."

Sister Lucia dos Santos

19 posted on 02/11/2017 2:42:12 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ebb tide
After all, the “God of Surprises” is nothing if not predictable.

Therefore the MOTHER of the “God of Surprises” is nothing if not necessary in these perilous times!

20 posted on 02/11/2017 2:44:18 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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