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WHEN WAS REVELATION WRITTEN?
Prophecy Questions Blog ^
| February 8, 2017
| Charles Meek
Posted on 02/09/2017 5:25:06 PM PST by grumpa
Many Christians understand the book to have been written around AD 95/96. They simply take this late date for Revelation on faith, without ever checking it out. But there is strong and convincing evidence that the book was written prior to AD 70 when Jerusalem and the temple were destroyed. Over 130 authors, from different theological persuasions, have been identified as holding to a pre-AD 70 date, during the latter years of the reign of Nero, who ruled Rome from AD 54 to 68.
The argument for the late date of Revelation rests principally on a single AMBIGUOUS, THIRD-HAND comment by the second-century church father Irenaeus (c. AD 180). Scholars have puzzled over how to understand his comment, which can be interpreted in different ways, and there is considerable contrary evidence. This one blurb from Irenaeus is pretty much all the late daters have. Irenaeus, by the way, is known to have made other historical and theological errors, which the interested reader can explore on the Internet.
Actually, John, the author of Revelation, probably died prior to AD 70. . . .
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TOPICS: Theology
KEYWORDS: dating; datingrevelation; elephantfable; elephantpoem; eschatology; johngodfreysaxe; revelation; templedestroyed; written
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To: Arlis; Lee N. Field; daniel1212
NO VIEW can explain all things. I knew Hal Lindsay in the 60s and he was sure he had it all figured out then. But history didnt play his way then. The person who insists that he/she has it all together - I run from..... The Pharisees believed they had the prophecies all worked out. They thought that the Messiah was not going to come from Nazareth and used this as an argument that our Lord Jesus could not be the Messiah. Early the "wise men" believed the Messiah would be born in Bethlehem but apparently didn't understand the meaning of how the Messiah would be called "out of Egypt".
I think it's dangerous to believe that we totally understand prophetic scripture. As for Revelation, Daniel, etc., I simply say "Hmmmm...very interesting." and set it back on the shelve.
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posted on
02/10/2017 3:03:31 AM PST
by
HarleyD
To: Just mythoughts
To: grumpa
Many Christians understand the book to have been written around AD 95/96What % is 'many'?
I'd say that MOST have no clue at all; other than John was still alive to write it!
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posted on
02/10/2017 4:23:36 AM PST
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Iscool
Had Revelation take place you wouldnt be here to write about it because the earth vanished about a thousand years ago...Oh?
Even a broken sundial is right once a day!
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posted on
02/10/2017 4:25:18 AM PST
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: vladimir998
The fact that 666 = NeroDepends upon whose 'facts' you are listening to.
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posted on
02/10/2017 4:26:31 AM PST
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: odawg
The apostle Paul said there were people passing around spurious letters as if he had written them.
Fake (good) News
Solomon was right; there IS nothing new under the sun!
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posted on
02/10/2017 4:28:19 AM PST
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: odawg
Martin Luther placed Revelation at the end of the New Testament because he did not think it should be in the Bible.
He DID?
Where did ROME have it before then??
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posted on
02/10/2017 4:29:34 AM PST
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: odawg
By the way, anti-Christ is not mentioned in Revelation.Or in many other places; either...
These are the only places that antichrist is mentioned.
1 John 2:18
Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.
1 John 2:22
Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist denying the Father and the Son.
1 John 4:3
but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist , which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.
2 John 1:7
I say this because many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist .
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posted on
02/10/2017 4:31:30 AM PST
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: kingpins10
Well;
I read in on the Internet!
MAybe even on Twitter!!
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posted on
02/10/2017 4:32:48 AM PST
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: aMorePerfectUnion
Appeal to Authority Is this anything like the correct teachings of the only 'True Church'?
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posted on
02/10/2017 4:34:28 AM PST
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Arlis
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posted on
02/10/2017 4:35:13 AM PST
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: odawg
No, Bible historians say it because it was on a Roman coin, which is not conjecture.Show me an image of 'the coin' and at least HALF of the conjecture can be eliminated.
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posted on
02/10/2017 4:36:46 AM PST
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Salvation
Introduction to Revelation Revelation; signing off:
Revelation 3:5
He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
Revelation 13:8
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Revelation 17:8
The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
Revelation 20:11-15
"Then I saw a great White Throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and THE BOOKS WERE OPENED. Another book was opened WHICH IS THE BOOK OF LIFE. The dead were judged according to their works as recorded in the books. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to their works. Then death and Hades were thrown into the Lake of Fire. The Lake of Fire is the second death. If anyone's name was not found written IN THE BOOK OF LIFE, he was thrown into the lake of fire."
Revelation 21:27
Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lambs book of life.
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posted on
02/10/2017 4:39:41 AM PST
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: redleghunter
Irenaeus was convinced on the later date of Revelation.MOST Catholics are convinced that Mary has visited earth many times and taught things that are not found in the Bible.
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posted on
02/10/2017 4:41:28 AM PST
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Arlis
Age changes one greatly.This is what the fella in MY mirror is trying to convince me of as well!
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posted on
02/10/2017 4:42:27 AM PST
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Elsie
Oh? Even a broken sundial is right once a day! Had no idea you were a Preterist...So you're in heaven right now eh??? Not quite as nice as you hoped it would be, is it???
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posted on
02/10/2017 4:45:27 AM PST
by
Iscool
To: HarleyD
The Pharisees believed they had the prophecies all worked out.So do our PREtrib folks!
And the MIDtrib ones; too!
And lastly; the POSTtrib ones are REALLY the right ones.
BAH!
The Blind Men and the Elephant
by John Godfrey Saxe
American poet John Godfrey Saxe (1816-1887) based the following poem on a fable which was told in India many years ago...
It was six men of Indostan
To learning much inclined,
Who went to see the Elephant
(Though all of them were blind),
That each by observation
Might satisfy his mind
The First approached the Elephant,
And happening to fall
Against his broad and sturdy side,
At once began to bawl:
God bless me! but the Elephant
Is very like a wall!
The Second, feeling of the tusk,
Cried, Ho! what have we here
So very round and smooth and sharp?
To me tis mighty clear
This wonder of an Elephant
Is very like a spear!
The Third approached the animal,
And happening to take
The squirming trunk within his hands,
Thus boldly up and spake:
I see, quoth he, the Elephant
Is very like a snake!
The Fourth reached out an eager hand,
And felt about the knee.
What most this wondrous beast is like
Is mighty plain, quoth he;
Tis clear enough the Elephant
Is very like a tree!
The Fifth, who chanced to touch the ear,
Said: Een the blindest man
Can tell what this resembles most;
Deny the fact who can
This marvel of an Elephant
Is very like a fan!׆
The Sixth no sooner had begun
About the beast to grope,
Than, seizing on the swinging tail
That fell within his scope,
I see, quoth he, the Elephant
Is very like a rope!
And so these men of Indostan
Disputed loud and long,
Each in his own opinion
Exceeding stiff and strong,
Though each was partly in the right,
And all were in the wrong!
Moral:
So oft in theologic wars,
The disputants, I ween,
Rail on in utter ignorance
Of what each other mean,
And prate about an Elephant
Not one of them has seen!
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posted on
02/10/2017 4:46:25 AM PST
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Iscool
The patent for a working moondial is still available...
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posted on
02/10/2017 4:49:04 AM PST
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Elsie
666 = A lot of different names throughout history, and they all would be a "type" of anti-Christ but not the anti-Christ, in my understanding.
To: aMorePerfectUnion
HumbleGunner, clean up on aisle 3. Not on the Religion forum, I don't!
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