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To: metmom

The Protestants have built their house on sand when they exclude the authority of the church instead of including it along with that of holy scripture.

Show me in scripture where the faithful must constantly argue with Peter and the church’s authority. Paul teaches that rather, if the sinner will not listen to the church than they are to be regarded as the heathen and the publican.

ST. MATTHEW - Chapter 18:17

*And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and the publican.


212 posted on 01/09/2017 12:36:18 PM PST by Repent and Believe (The Son of Man, when He cometh, shall He find, think you, faith on earth? Jesus Christ (Luke 18:8))
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To: Repent and Believe
The Protestants have built their house on sand when they exclude the authority of the church instead of including it along with that of holy scripture.

Jesus is the ROCK. Anyone who trust in HIM has built their house on the rock, and not the sinking and shifting sands of man-made doctrine the Catholic church passes off as if from God Himself.

Jesus told us that God's WORD is truth. He NEVER said the Catholic church was a source of truth.

If the Catholic church is, then you have to obey your pope, whoever he is.

214 posted on 01/09/2017 12:43:58 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Repent and Believe
Show me in scripture where the faithful must constantly argue with Peter and the church’s authority.

You must show that Peter was in authority over every other believer.

And that can't be done because he wasn't.

Paul teaches that rather, if the sinner will not listen to the church than they are to be regarded as the heathen and the publican.

Prove that he meant the CATHOLIC church. Show me where it says that one must be in subjection to CATHOLICISM, by name.

Also, that verse you took is out of context. It is not a blanket statement to all believers to be in subjection to one governing body calling itself the church.

All the context there is doing is addressing disagreements or conflict between individual believers. It is NOT establishing the ultimate authority of one church over everyone.

Scripture is authoritative, not Catholicism, as SCRIPTURE is the very God breathed, Holy Spirit inspired word of God.

Catholicism can't even agree within itself, and certainly not throughout its history based on the writings of the early church fathers, which don't even agree with each other.

If you exclude the ones that are known forgeries, too.

215 posted on 01/09/2017 12:49:00 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Repent and Believe

1 Corinthians 3:4
For when one says, “I follow Paul,” and another,
“I follow Apollos,” are you not mere human beings?

Elsie 1:2
For when one says, “I follow HAYDOCK,” and another,
“I follow Rome’s treachings,” are you not mere human beings?


224 posted on 01/09/2017 3:33:13 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Repent and Believe
Show me in scripture where the faithful must constantly argue with Peter and the church’s authority.

You mean like you FR catholics do every day in your JUDGEMENT of Francis?

Hypocrits!!

225 posted on 01/09/2017 3:34:37 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Repent and Believe
ST. MATTHEW - Chapter 18:17

*And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and the publican.

 

Selective quoting anyone??


 

Dealing With Sin in the Church

ST. MATTHEW - Chapter 18:15-17

15 “If your brother or sister[b] sins,[c] go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over. 16 But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’[d] 17 If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.

226 posted on 01/09/2017 3:38:05 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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