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To: Mark17
Now, if someone is saved, they have nothing to fear.

That view is contradicted, not only by the word of our LORD Jesus Christ in Luke, but also in the letter from the Apostle to the Gentiles and "the beloved" in Phillipi, as the "friends" in Luke, were (being) saved.

Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Phillippians, Catholic chapter two, Protestant verse twelve,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James.

1,118 posted on 01/19/2017 7:53:42 PM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981; metmom; knarf; aMorePerfectUnion; boatbums
That view is contradicted, not only by the word of our LORD Jesus Christ in Luke, but also in the letter from the Apostle to the Gentiles and "the beloved" in Phillipi, as the "friends" in Luke, were (being) saved.

Whatever bro. Of course, I disagree with your interpretation, but hey, that's OK. I probably disagree with 80% of your interpretations. If you want to live your life in fear, never knowing for sure if you are saved or lost, that is your choice. I just have no intention of living like that. We will just have to agree to disagree.

1,120 posted on 01/19/2017 8:13:45 PM PST by Mark17 (20 Years USAF ATCer, Retired. 25 years CDCR C/O, Retired)
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To: af_vet_1981; Mark17

There’s nothing the enemy likes more than to keep people in the bondage of fear, especially believers who have nothing to fear.

You are doing your task well.


1,121 posted on 01/19/2017 8:25:54 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: af_vet_1981
For if in anything I have boasted to him about you, I am not ashamed. But as we spoke all things to you in truth, even so our boasting to Titus was found true. And his affections are greater for you as he remembers the obedience of you all, how with fear and trembling you received him.
(2 Corinthians 7:14-15)

Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God. And we have known and believed the love that God has for us. God is love, and he who abides in love abides in God, and God in him. Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because as He is, so are we in this world. There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment. But he who fears has not been made perfect in love. We love Him because He first loved us.
(1 John 4:15-19)

Who is right? John or Paul?

Peace,

SR
1,126 posted on 01/19/2017 8:58:34 PM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: af_vet_1981
. . . work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

From this verse, obviously one cannot "work out" a salvation one does not already possess, and the "fear" is to dread to disappoint or disobey the One Who alone has finished the act of saving.

Another way of saying this is that one is to work through, to process, the portion of progressive sanctification with a desire to avoid displeasing the One Whom one loves, and Whose Spirit is our intimate instructor.

1,491 posted on 01/25/2017 10:37:17 PM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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