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I find that the more I read the bible, the less I focus on the thing called “the trinity”. Jesus is fully God in the flesh. Without the flesh, there is no Jesus. He was never “something else” before he was Jesus. He has always been Jesus. In our reality, he has a beginning. In eternity he does not. He is the dwelling place of the holy spirit when he is here. When he is not here, he is not. This is why he had to leave for the holy spirit to do His work here.

Or something like that.

And when he says, “I and the father are one” I see it a bit like when I say I and my wife are one.

John 1

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God; 3 all things were made through him, and without him was not anything made that was made. 4 In him was life,[a] and the life was the light of men. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 He came for testimony, to bear witness to the light, that all might believe through him. 8 He was not the light, but came to bear witness to the light.

9 The true light that enlightens every man was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made through him, yet the world knew him not. 11 He came to his own home, and his own people received him not. 12 But to all who received him, who believed in his name, he gave power to become children of God; 13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth; we have beheld his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father. 15 (John bore witness to him, and cried, “This was he of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me ranks before me, for he was before me.’”) 16 And from his fulness have we all received, grace upon grace. 17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. 18 No one has ever seen God; the only Son,[b] who is in the bosom of the Father, he has made him known.

First, they are all one.

John 14: 11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me

6 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

This pretty much summarizes the sequence....

The reason Jesus became flesh was to pay our flesh sin debt for us. God is Spirit. We were made in God's image so God has a spirit, soul, and mind. God could not pay our sin debt unless a perfect One, without blemish, shed their blood for us. There was none without sin or God could have just said "So and so" is perfect, be like them" and God would not have had to give us His Son. No one was able to do that, so God provided the Lamb for the payment for sin.

Now choosing the Spirit or the Father as the payment misses the point of God. They are ONE.

John 1:1 tells us the Word was in the beginning, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. In vs 14 we are told the Word became flesh and dwelt among us. If Jesus is the Word and the Word is God, then Jesus is God. Jesus said If you've seen Me, you've seen the Father. I and the Father are One.

If I asked you if you ever hear voices speaking to you, or do you ever speak to yourself, you can start to imagine the spiritual world of God. Jesus was speaking to Himself when speaking to the Father. If you see me, you see one person, but I have a soul and spirit and a mind. It's not really that hard, but God looks at us in a different way than we do.

In Eph 2, we are told Jesus is sitting, right now, at the right hand of the Father. A few verses later we learn that our spirit is IN the Body of Christ, in heavenly places. Our Spirit has been resurrected from death to life and is now abiding in Christ Jesus in heaven. The Holy Spirit is now in our hearts guiding us.

Our flesh is dying and will die, but we will get a new glorified body. Our spirit is with Jesus in heaven, so the only think left is saving our souls. Our soul is what tells our flesh to do this or that to be happy, avoid death, basically stay alive. Our whole life we have lived by the edicts of our soul, she's pretty, make a pass, fornicate if possible, eat a pound of chocolate, steal money, ect. Now that the Holy Spirit is in us, we are required to submit our soul to the Spirit until the Spirit over rules the soul. If we could over rule our soul completely, we would be "like Jesus".

God is the author and finisher of our faith, so He will finish what was started and we will go to heaven no matter where we are in our walk here on earth as long as we are overcoming the flesh. If we fall off the wagon and go back to the world, I can't say because He is the Judge of our hearts. The heart spoken of is NOT the blood pump, but the soul in us. If our souls are submitting to the Spirit then we are one with God, When it doesn't submit, how can we say we are one with God?

God doesn't require perfection here on earth, That is what Grace covers, but that our hearts are changing to be more Christ like. He knows our hearts. He is looking for lovers of Him, not slaves.

Explaining a Triune God is more accurate that explaining the Trinity. God is One in 3 parts, not 3 Gods separated from one another. We were created in God's image, but obviously God doesn't look like us. Explaining the spiritual world is like explaining the Grand Canyon to someone who has never seen it. Even a photo doesn't do it justice.

Thank you for posting that thought provoking question.

I have often thought it odd how the ‘deep thinkers’ of trinitarianism credit God the Father for getting the ball rolling, so to speak, and then goes practically unheard of until the Son of God is brought forth. At which time the Father is credited with powering the Son during his first earthly visitation. Then the Son ascends, takes the scepter, and the Father once again slips off to obscurity.

The Son is the image of the invisible God. Think on that....

God is invisible. Always has been, and always will be.
God is a Spirit. Always has been, and always will be.

The Son is God the Father’s perfect physical expression of himself to a physical world.

Peter’s testimony to the Jews in Acts 2, and to Cornelius in Acts 10, are as good of a witness as you’ll find. I think they’re awesome!