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To: boatbums

This kind of cut and paste stuff is sophomoric theology refuted by historians, scholars, theologians, philosophers, saints, and converts of every stripe and from every part of this planet over two millennia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_converts_to_Catholicism


110 posted on 12/04/2016 10:27:32 PM PST by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish
I beg to differ... B.B. Warfield is probably one of the greatest theologians of the 19th century. Catholics certainly can't claim ALL of them!

I'll give you the same challenge...read it for once and say what you think is incorrect about what he said. Can you do that or will you cling to your freshman defense of, "I won't read it cuz a Protestant wrote it!"?

113 posted on 12/04/2016 10:41:03 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Steelfish

I agree with you! Why read something that is false?


114 posted on 12/04/2016 10:43:17 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Steelfish
This kind of cut and paste stuff is sophomoric theology refuted by historians, scholars, theologians, philosophers, saints, and converts of every stripe and from every part of this planet over two millennia.

I see...


As regards the oft-quoted Mt. 16:18, note the following bishops promise in the profession of faith of Vatican 1:

 Basil of Seleucia, Oratio 25:

'You are Christ, Son of the living God.'...Now Christ called this confession a rock, and he named the one who confessed it 'Peter,' perceiving the appellation which was suitable to the author of this confession. For this is the solemn rock of religion, this the basis of salvation, this the wall of faith and the foundation of truth: 'For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Christ Jesus.' To whom be glory and power forever. — Oratio XXV.4, M.P.G., Vol. 85, Col. 296-297.

Bede, Matthaei Evangelium Expositio, 3:

You are Peter and on this rock from which you have taken your name, that is, on myself, I will build my Church, upon that perfection of faith which you confessed I will build my Church by whose society of confession should anyone deviate although in himself he seems to do great things he does not belong to the building of my Church...Metaphorically it is said to him on this rock, that is, the Saviour which you confessed, the Church is to be built, who granted participation to the faithful confessor of his name. — 80Homily 23, M.P.L., Vol. 94, Col. 260. Cited by Karlfried Froehlich, Formen, Footnote #204, p. 156 [unable to verify by me].

• Cassiodorus, Psalm 45.5:

'It will not be moved' is said about the Church to which alone that promise has been given: 'You are Peter and upon this rock I shall build my Church and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it.' For the Church cannot be moved because it is known to have been founded on that most solid rock, namely, Christ the Lord. — Expositions in the Psalms, Volume 1; Volume 51, Psalm 45.5, p. 455

Chrysostom (John) [who affirmed Peter was a rock, but here not the rock in Mt. 16:18]:

Therefore He added this, 'And I say unto thee, Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church; that is, on the faith of his confession. — Chrysostom, Homilies on the Gospel of Saint Matthew, Homily LIIl; Philip Schaff, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers (http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf110.iii.LII.html)

Cyril of Alexandria:

When [Peter] wisely and blamelessly confessed his faith to Jesus saying, 'You are Christ, Son of the living God,' Jesus said to divine Peter: 'You are Peter and upon this rock I will build my Church.' Now by the word 'rock', Jesus indicated, I think, the immoveable faith of the disciple.”. — Cyril Commentary on Isaiah 4.2.

Origen, Commentary on the Gospel of Matthew (Book XII):

“For a rock is every disciple of Christ of whom those drank who drank of the spiritual rock which followed them, 1 Corinthians 10:4 and upon every such rock is built every word of the church, and the polity in accordance with it; for in each of the perfect, who have the combination of words and deeds and thoughts which fill up the blessedness, is the church built by God.'

“For all bear the surname ‘rock’ who are the imitators of Christ, that is, of the spiritual rock which followed those who are being saved, that they may drink from it the spiritual draught. But these bear the surname of rock just as Christ does. But also as members of Christ deriving their surname from Him they are called Christians, and from the rock, Peters.” — Commentary on the Gospel of Matthew (Book XII), sect. 10,11 ( http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/101612.htm)

Hilary of Potier, On the Trinity (Book II): Thus our one immovable foundation, our one blissful rock of faith, is the confession from Peter's mouth, Thou art the Son of the living God. On it we can base an answer to every objection with which perverted ingenuity or embittered treachery may assail the truth."-- (Hilary of Potier, On the Trinity (Book II), para 23; Philip Schaff, editor, The Nicene & Post Nicene Fathers Series 2, Vol 9.

135 posted on 12/05/2016 3:35:27 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Steelfish
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_converts_to_Catholicism

Really?

This group of deceived folks is somehow supposed to convince us of the TRUTH of Catholicism?


Logical fallicies 4&5
 
4. Appeal to the Popular - Urging the hearer to accept a position because a majority of people hold to it.
Example: The majority of people like soda. Therefore, soda is good.
Example: Everyone else is doing it. Why shouldn't you?
 
5. Appeal to Tradition - Trying to get someone to accept something because it has been done or believed for a long time.
Example: This is the way we've always done it. Therefore, it is the right way.
Example: The Catholic church's tradition demonstrates that this doctrine is true.

137 posted on 12/05/2016 3:39:13 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Steelfish; boatbums
This kind of cut and paste stuff is sophomoric theology refuted by historians, scholars, theologians, philosophers, saints, and converts of every stripe and from every part of this planet over two millennia.

And then you go and provide a LINK?!?!?!

Do you not see the hypocrisy?

At least bb went to the trouble of providing the text for all to read without chasing down a like to WIKIPEDIA of all things.

139 posted on 12/05/2016 3:47:22 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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