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"Mind-boggling Stuff of Nightmare": Fr. Brian Harrison on Pope's Proselytism Comments
Remnant Newspaper ^
| November 28,, 2016
| Fr. Brian Harrison, O.S
Posted on 11/28/2016 8:33:34 PM PST by ebb tide
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posted on
11/28/2016 8:33:34 PM PST
by
ebb tide
To: ebb tide
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posted on
11/28/2016 8:38:47 PM PST
by
2banana
(My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
To: ebb tide
Ugh....as a Catholic, this pope makes me hurl. A Pope on a Rope could do a better job.
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posted on
11/28/2016 8:39:41 PM PST
by
TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
(Repeal & replace Obamacare, tax reform, fix infrastructure, fixin military, Israel, kill enemies)
To: ebb tide
>> “Proselytism among Christians, therefore, in itself, is a grave sin, said Pope Francis.
Curious what preceded that statement, regardless of its absurdity.
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posted on
11/28/2016 8:40:09 PM PST
by
Gene Eric
(Don't be a statist!)
To: Gene Eric
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posted on
11/28/2016 8:42:47 PM PST
by
ebb tide
(We have a rogue curia in Rome)
To: ebb tide
“And now the head of Christ’s Catholic Church on earth, no less, is telling me that those Catholics who by personal conversation and written argument helped persuade me to abandon my Protestant heresies and embrace the fullness of revealed truth were thereby committing grave sin?”
As I have said in another thread I have been a believer and a Catholic all my life but there is nothing about this pope that....to me...is Catholic. I think he is a Manchurian Candidate and I wish there was a way to impeach him. He does NOT speak for me and I will not acknowledge him as pope (intentionally small “p”). He is a product of the “feel good” generation, I reject him!
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posted on
11/28/2016 8:44:20 PM PST
by
Castigar
To: ebb tide
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posted on
11/28/2016 8:50:36 PM PST
by
Gene Eric
(Don't be a statist!)
To: ebb tide; All
Anyone remember The Troubles?
The conflict in Northern Ireland during the late 20th century?
The dead . . . 3 or 4 thousand?
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posted on
11/28/2016 8:52:32 PM PST
by
donna
(Rosie O'Donnell lies about a 10-yr-old just to hurt his father. That's the kind of person she is.)
To: ebb tide
So, the writer believes Presbyterians, Methodists, Lutherans, Baptists, Episcopalians, Church of Christ, Disciples of Christ, the myriad of Evangelical and Protestant offshoots are all lost and going to hell? Really?
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posted on
11/28/2016 8:54:32 PM PST
by
Tennessean4Bush
(An optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds. A pessimist fears this is true.)
To: ebb tide
I mean . . . Trying to help non-Catholic Christians, by reasoned argument and apologetics, to recognize and embrace the fullness of revealed truth - and for Francis, that certainly qualifies as "proselytism" - is now to be condemned as sin? And indeed, grave sin? Even though Vatican Council II (to which the Holy Father professes his full adherence) clearly restates that all have a moral duty to seek, embrace and hold fast to this truth of the Catholic Church (cf. Dignitatis Humanae, #1)? Even though the Council (Lumen Gentium, #14) and the Catechism (#846) reaffirm the dogma "Outside the Church there is no salvation", explaining it to mean that those who recognize the Catholic Church as embodying the true religion, yet refuse to enter or remain in her, cannot be saved?
I myself am a convert from Presbyterianism. Prompted by the aforesaid conciliar teaching, I became a Catholic in order to save my soul. The Catholic faith I have professed now for 42 years is the most precious gift I have received. And now the head of Christ's Catholic Church on earth, no less, is telling me that those Catholics who by personal conversation and written argument helped persuade me to abandon my Protestant heresies and embrace the fullness of revealed truth were thereby committing grave sin? And he's justifying this excoriation of convert-seeking with a vapid "explanation" that explains nothing ("Because it contradicts the very dynamic of how to become and to remain Christian)? I think the Pope was right about something here. People who are already Christian believers shouldn't be seen as fertile ground for those like the author to try to "save their souls" by convincing them ONLY the Roman Catholic religion can do so for them and alone has the "fullness of the faith". That is just elitist thinking and contradicts the Catholic Catechism which states genuine Christians DO exist outside of Catholicism.
I was born into Catholicism but found the fullness of the faith outside of it by studying Holy Scripture and attending and fellowshipping with other believers in Evangelical non-Catholic denominations. There's nothing wrong with discussing apologetics and theological differences but I always thought it strange how some Catholics insist that Catholicism is the ONLY way to salvation. If someone is already a follower of Jesus Christ and professes the faith as the early creeds describe it, then there's no need to try to convert them over to Roman Catholicism. If someone has a desire to join, that's fine, but it certainly isn't the only way to "save my soul".
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posted on
11/28/2016 9:02:42 PM PST
by
boatbums
(God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
To: ebb tide
I would agree to an end to Proselytising — the worst groups are the loudest and the best lead by quiet example.
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posted on
11/28/2016 9:09:20 PM PST
by
CharleysPride
(Trump 2016: ALL IN)
To: Tennessean4Bush; boatbums
Yes, and so do I, and as the pre-conciliar Popes believed.
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posted on
11/28/2016 9:10:16 PM PST
by
ebb tide
(We have a rogue curia in Rome)
To: boatbums
I think the Pope was right about something here.I'm not surprised. Apostates tend to defend each other as a defense mechanism.
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posted on
11/28/2016 9:13:51 PM PST
by
ebb tide
(We have a rogue curia in Rome)
To: CharleysPride
Was St. John the Baptist loud?
He was beheaded for being loud.
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posted on
11/28/2016 9:16:22 PM PST
by
ebb tide
(We have a rogue curia in Rome)
To: Tennessean4Bush
So, the writer believes Presbyterians, Methodists, Lutherans, Baptists, Episcopalians, Church of Christ, Disciples of Christ, the myriad of Evangelical and Protestant offshoots are all lost and going to hell? Really? Un-Christian, snobbish elitists are like that. Thankfully, Jesus knows His own and His own know Him and Him only do they follow. And He gives to them eternal life and they shall never perish or be plucked from His hands (John 10:27-30).
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posted on
11/28/2016 9:23:30 PM PST
by
boatbums
(God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
To: ebb tide
Hey, at least I’m not claiming to be a Roman Catholic while refusing to be subject to the Pope and rejecting Vatican II and what the current Catholic Catechism states. I think it sounds like the “apostate” label is a better fit for you!
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posted on
11/28/2016 9:28:04 PM PST
by
boatbums
(God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
To: boatbums
I see your point, and I think that arguments and rivalries between Christians do not help the faith.
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posted on
11/28/2016 9:36:28 PM PST
by
BlackVeil
('The past is never dead. It's not even past.' William Faulkner)
To: Tennessean4Bush
“The writer believes Presbyterians, Methodists, Lutherans, Baptists, Episcopalians, Church of Christ, Disciples of Christ, the myriad of Evangelical and Protestant offshoots are all lost and going to hell?” Yes. And so do I. There are a million reasons, well, two million, supporting the conclusion that non-Catholics have a fragile connection to heaven. Would you like one, one hundred or one thousand reasons?
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posted on
11/28/2016 9:38:52 PM PST
by
Falconspeed
("Keep your fears to yourself, but share your courage with others." Robert Louis Stevenson (1850-94))
To: ebb tide
I think he is actually worried because so many wishywashy Catholics were presented Christ by Protestant pastors, and left the Catholic church.
The anecdote for this is to actually teach Christianity in Catholic churches instead of liberation theology or the feel good psychology version of religion that he is trying to push.
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posted on
11/28/2016 9:41:22 PM PST
by
LadyDoc
To: ebb tide
Thanks for the link. “The Church exists only as an instrument to communicate to men Gods merciful design, Pope Francis said. Interesting. This quote shows that Pope Francis has a superficial understanding of ecclesiology. I remember other experts saying how Pope Francis taught high school and seems to have a high school level of theology. Thus, it is sad how a doctor of the Church, Benedict XVI, was replaced by a sophist from high school.
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posted on
11/28/2016 9:43:58 PM PST
by
Falconspeed
("Keep your fears to yourself, but share your courage with others." Robert Louis Stevenson (1850-94))
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