I wonder how much responsibility for Global Warming is Rome's fault?
Catholic ping!
Is this a caucus thread?
It’s a huge leap to claim that the passages cited imply purgatory. The refiner’s fire refers to the judgement seat of Christ, where useless “works” are burned up.
Nothing in all Scripture about Purgatory, since it does not exist. Neither of the passages is about a purgatory. Made up out of whole cloth.
“Consequently, he is able to save to the uttermost those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them” (Heb. 7:25).
Jesus is the guarantor of a better, more perfect covenant (Heb. 7:22). The old covenant, though good in a temporary sense, was imperfect because its priesthood could never bring perfection to the people (v. 11). Moreover, the Levitical priesthood could make no one perfect because no Levite lived forever (vv. 23–24).
The many priests of the old covenant made the full experience of salvation under their economy impossible. Their deaths made it known that they were sinners, just like the people they were charged with representing. They were never able to offer a sacrifice completely free of their own evil motives and desires, no matter how good they were or how hard they tried. They could not save anyone because they needed to be saved themselves. God accepted their sacrifices only because they pointed to the time when the perfect mediator would come.
When Christ came all this changed. He is free from sin and therefore can hold the office of priest forever. Being very God of very God, He is the power of salvation itself. “He is able to save to the uttermost those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them” (v. 25).
John Owen points out that saving us to the uttermost means that Christ “will not bring about part of our salvation and leave what remains to ourselves and to others… . Whatever belongs to our entire, complete salvation, he is able to effect it.” Christ does not leave us to ourselves but brings about our whole salvation, from its beginning at regeneration to its culmination in our glorification.
Purgatory is an unnecessary fiction because Christ saves to the uttermost.
Soli Deo Gloria
If it exists, purgatory is full of printers in need of fixing.
An old boss of mine, real church going good guy said if there were printers in heaven, he’d just assume not go anywhere.
I despise printers so much.
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A little history might sharpen thinking on the nature of purgatory.
In the early church, the fear was that anyone who died unbaptized forfeited heaven. So wouldn’t infant baptism make sense? Sure. So, that’s what they did.
Then one of the princes of the church pointed out that sins committed in a state of grace, i.e., after being baptized, were much more serious than sins committed when unbaptized.
So, wouldn’t baptism delayed until sometime in adulthood lessen the burden on the heaven-bound soul? Sure, that makes sense. So they went for adult baptism.
Then one of the other princes of the church got thrown from his horse while out riding, and hit his head on a rock, killing him. In an unbaptized state. Ouch. This was getting ridiculous.
The answer was to go back to infant baptism and invent a part of afterlife that would purge the soul, or at least allow for the working off, of sins committed in the state of grace. Makes sense. So that must be how it works, yes.
Leave it up to the new guy to find biblical justification, or just make some up out of whole cloth. What could it hurt? Problem solved.
And just where does he get this from 1Co. 3> And "the when?"
Using the valid principle of the refining value of fire does not justify a doctrine that invokes it, any more than the valid principle of the punitive use of fire justifies Islamic Hell.