Posted on 11/16/2016 4:06:25 AM PST by marshmallow
The cardinal said there was a tradition of issuing a formal correction if a Pope is in error
Cardinal Raymond Burke has said it may be necessary to make a “formal act of correction” if Pope Francis doesn’t answer a letter from four cardinals asking him to clarify aspects of Amoris Laetitia.
In an interview with Edward Pentin of National Catholic Register, Cardinal Burke said that if the Pope were to teach error or heresy, “It is the duty in such cases, and historically it has happened, of cardinals and bishops to make clear that the Pope is teaching error and to ask him to correct it.”
Cardinal Burke is one of four cardinals who have written to the Pope asking for a clarification of Amoris Laetitia. They say that the document could be read as contradicting Church teaching on the moral law and on the question of Communion for the remarried. The Pope has declined to reply to the letter.
Asked what would happen if the Pope remained silent, Cardinal Burke replied: “Then we would have to address that situation. There is, in the tradition of the Church, the practice of correction of the Roman Pontiff. It is something that is clearly quite rare. But if there is no response to these questions, then I would say that it would be a question of taking a formal act of correction of a serious error.”
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Why are people staying out of this situation as long as they can??? Why would people do that? Do they not have view? Are they scared to voice it? Are they afraid of repercussions?
The very fact that someone would use the phrase “as long as they can” indicates there is an issue of why they want to stay hidden
But I can say without a doubt that the Roman Catholic Church is very political. It is ludicrous to suggest otherwise. And I know enough about Martin Luther situation to say that Roman Catholic politics were very much involved in that whole situation..
Just think of it from one simple view. If someone challenges the Roman Catholic Heirachy in a grave way that influences their coffers, their land holdings, etc etc etc...politics will not be involved? It makes no sense from even a simplistic view.
There are certain things a pope can't do. That's because he's a custodian of something handed down to him for safekeeping. He cannot damage that which is in his custody.
His underlings are trying to overthrow him on certain issues.
Wrong.
They're attempting to prevent damage to something "deposited" with him. The deposit of faith.
You keep tossing around the word "politics" which you appear to define as the taking of any contrary position in any disputation.
There are dictionaries online.
So you can’t fathom that 4 Cardinals have a view that Pope Che is doing grave damage while others disagree but no politics could ever be involved in that power struggle over that definition of faith.
THIS IS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH WHO HAS A LAVENDER MAFIA THAT PEOPLE ARE AFRAID OF EVEN WITHIN THE CHURCH.
So everyone is staying silent until they can’t anymore according to one poster and you can’t fathom it might because of repercussions?
“This isn’t a sports game.”
It isn’t politics either. My analogy stands.
“The Pope is KING AND POPE.”
Nope. Prime Minister. Christ is the King.
“His underlings are trying to overthrow him on certain issues.”
Nope. What you suggest is a logical impossibility. It literally cannot happen for there is no such thing as “overthrow him on certain issues.” A man can be overthrown, but not on a certain issue. If he is overthrown he is OVERTHROWN. He’s done. . . in EVERYTHING. This is about one document, not everything.
“I am not going to continue this ludicrous conversation.”
Of course not - because you were wrong from the start and some of us are calling you on it and you have nothing to fight back with.
“There is no doubt that the Vatican is filled with politics, backstabbing and jockeying for positions.”
Doesn’t matter. There is NO EVIDENCE that this is about politics. Look at how much politics there is in the NFL (Kaepernick’s protest is just one TINY example), but that doesn’t make the game itself politics.
“There is no doubt the amount of damage that gets done because of the politics involved behind the scenes. See the horrendous child abuse scandals..”
Wow, you’re really throwing in the kitchen sink here - apparently out of desperation.
“but you just go ahead and believe no such politics are involved. Your definition of politics is far too narrow if you believe Martin Luther’s whole situation didn’t involve politics in the Roman Catholic Church.”
I didn’t say anything about Luther. And I don’t doubt that there were political issues involved - but not in the main issue of Luther’s heresy - which is what the Church cared about. The Church has often done the most “impolitic” things choosing to act against any possible worldly gain for itself just to serve the truth of the Gospel.
“I didn’t say that. I couldn’t possibly say that because I am not versed in the situation.”
Yet you keep talking about it as if you were. What does that tells us?
You understand that CORPORATIONS have a political environment that has nothing to do with Republican or Democrat...don’t you??? Ever worked in a corporate environment?
You chose the wrong side in an argument and there can be lasting repercussions...
The same can happen in the Catholic Church. What happened to some of those that opposed The Lavender Mafia as an example
Ideally, it should be difficult to detect the Pope’s political views. With Pope Francis it is hard to detect his religious views. His politics are in plain sight.
World views have taken over in C and P.
You don’t need to be well versed on the Catholic Church to know . You can SEE IT THROUGHOUT HISTORY. A Huge example is what happened with Vatican and England.
Again, you keep tossing around the word "politics" of which your definition appears to be....er.....novel.
And no, it's not a "power struggle". They're not wanting his job or attempting to weaken the Petrine office. They're asking for the theological clarification of something which he wrote.
Are you saying that the Catholic Church resisted the Reformers only to protect its power and money, that they did not do so for the sake of sincerely held religious beliefs? And if so, why are you so quick to attribute this motivation to Catholics but are reluctant to do the same for the Reformers?
“There is, in the tradition of the Church, the practice of correction of the Roman Pontiff. It is something that is clearly quite rare.”
Just let that sink in for a minute. Then go back and read my original post. I didn’t even use the word “politics”
But for those that keep saying there are no politics in the Catholic Church...are you the same ones that say they didn’t POLITICALLY cover up the Sexual Abuse..because there are some of those on this site that claim that.
“You don’t need to be well versed on the Catholic Church to know .”
Yes, you do. If you are not well versed in Catholic theology, an understanding of the teaching and disciplinary understanding of the Catholic Church, you simply cannot understand what is going on here. And that’s exactly what you’re proving.
“You can SEE IT THROUGHOUT HISTORY.”
I have a PhD in History. My specialty was Church History. And you seem to have no idea of what you’re talking about. Again, Luke 22:24 is not about politics. Neither is Luke 9:54. Neither is Matthew 10:14. Neither is Galatians 2:11.
“A Huge example is what happened with Vatican and England.”
No, it isn’t. Ultimately schism and heresy are about schism and heresy and not politics.
For power?
For Money?
For religious beliefs?
For all of the above.
Maybe it was the same with the reformers. Maybe all of the above.
I cannot continue with these discussions. I have a dim view of the Catholic Church Heirarchy due to the Sexual Abuse they covered up. Thus, I will always be jaded as to the political motivations.
Just answer me a question
WHY did they cover up the sexual abuse since you are so well versed?
For money?
For power?
For religious beliefs?
What was the reason since you know all about it?
“Are you saying that the Catholic Church resisted the Reformers only to protect its power and money, that they did not do so for the sake of sincerely held religious beliefs? And if so, why are you so quick to attribute this motivation to Catholics but are reluctant to do the same for the Reformers?”
Excellent questions. And, if RummyChick even bothers to attempt an answer, it probably will be contorted, illogical, and ahistorical.
Does the Lavender Mafia exist and how does that square with Catholic teachings?
Why was this person suspended. POLITICS??? Because he wrong about the Lavender Mafia
https://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=19707
4 Cardinals are willing to do something very rare within the Catholic Church. And politics couldn’t possibly be involved with any of it.
I guess we will see how it shakes out.
Let what sink in?
Then go back and read my original post. I didn’t even use the word “politics”
Right, you said...."I can't follow all this technical stuff..."........LOL!
But for those that keep saying there are no politics in the Catholic Church...
1) What is "politics"?
2) Is defense of the faith "politics"?
3) Was Athanasius' fight against the Arian heresy "politics"?
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