Posted on 10/19/2016 6:54:23 PM PDT by Lera
Largest military presence ever is gathering in the Mediterranean Sea .
That is highly doubtful, the Russians do not want to lose their only carrier to the IAF. It is a jump carrier and does not have advanced aircraft that can beat the 300 F-16’s and the 80 F-15’s that Israel has. Plus Israel is a Nuclear Nation State with a submarine 2nd strike option.
Russia is more likely to grab parts of Europe, but they are going to take and hold Syria. They do not want the Turks or the US to grab it and put Assad on trial.
Revelation 13:3.
There does not seem to be any direct mention of any of the Americas in the Bible prophecy, except maybe Psalm 2:2,8,9 refers to all the populated earth.
I think Tarshish is the UK, hence “Sons of Tarshish” (USA).
Doubt Rosh is “Rus” (Russia). “North of the Black Sea” is too generic & entails a few nations, namely Europeans. Similar to WW2 when most were persecuting Jews by choice or otherwise.
It is ancient geography & historical reference, since British partitioned lands such as: Saudi Arabia/Jordan, Gulf states are relatively new ‘countries’.
Even “Scythia” (immediately north of the Black Sea), which were mostly part of ancient Iran in fact, before the USSR consumed them, are not specifically mentioned. And, the Turks did invade them too.
Egyptians may be known as Phoenicians. That land encompassed today’s Lebanon and Syria too - even part of Tunisia.
The Bible was written 2000 years ago. As accurate it is or may be, we need to consider the content in the time it was written, and since then. Too vague and open to speculation or interpretation.
[[Gog is Turkey not Russia. The peoples that lived in the land of Gog invaded and conquered the Byzantine Empire You are confusing genealogy with geography. The prophecy was about the descendants of Gog not the houses they lived in. ]]
I actually agree with you that Gog is Turkey and not Russia.
They update is was still good and worth watching .
The Turks are not going to sit on the sidelines for long.
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Good points. Thank you for sharing.
I’ve always associated the Sons of Tarshish with Spain and their conquering in the New World, with expansion throughout the Americas.
Utter nonsense
chief = not to be translated, but transliterated as Roshe, which is the whole of Russia
Meshek = Moscow (capital of west part)
Tubal = Tobolsk (capital of Siberia, east part)
These are places, occupied by peoples, Gog and Magog, as described in Wiki:
To Gog and Magog were also attached a legend, certainly current by the Roman period, that
they were people contained beyond the Gates of Alexander erected by Alexander the Great.
Romanized Jewish historian Josephus knew them as the tribe descended from Magog the
Japhethite, as in Genesis, and explained them to be the Scythians.
This could be interpreted as the various warlike Japhethite tribes from the Ukraine, typified by the Cossacks, and beyond in the north and east, occupying the continent from Moscow to Tobol, becoming the largest nation of the world.
The Authorized Version gives the translation as follows:
"Therefore, thou son of man, prophesy against Gog, and say,
Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog,
the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:" (Ezek. 39:1 AV).
Tubal is Tobol, the capital of Siberia
Gomer is Germany
Togarmah may be what some now call Turkey (Turkisch) but only so after it was conquered by people basically from Kazakhstan, finally establishing the Ottoman Empire on that area which was previously known as "Anatolia"--in Greek meaning "The East"--because it was the lands east of Greece/Macedonia over which the Greeks and the Persians fought back and forth for centuries. As to whether Togarmah refers to the Turkey that we know is open to question, because that identification came long after Bible times--actually 2,000+ years after Ezekiel's time.
In Ezekiel 39:1 the word translated as "chief" (because it has the same sound as Rosh in Rosh HaShanah) should not have been translated. "Rosh" simply means "Russia."
Understand your thinking. Mine was that the U.S. (not Americas) was actually born out of the UK, not Spain. Also, the UK had a powerful maritime force as well, though later than Spain. From the M.E. it would take longer travel by sea to get to the UK. The close relations & alliance between the UK and the U.S., in more recent times, far surpass those with Spain, especially in the M.E.
Also, China is not mentioned?
Gog MGog, the Mem as a prefix means 'from' as in Gog from Gog extrapolates to GeOrGe from GeOrGe
Who is Gog and Magog?
http://absolutetruth613.blogspot.com/2012/04/who-is-gog-and-magog.html
...and...
Gog's weapons are already on Israeli soil...
http://www.rense.com/general66/excl.htm
...Read all about it... The Gog wars are the wars of GeOrGe...
And America is daughter of Babylon
Revelation 20:8 and shall come forth to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to the war: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up over the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down out of heaven, and devoured them.
breadth of the earth
וַיַּעֲלוּ עַל־מֶרְחֲבֵי אֶרֶץ וַיָּסׂבּוּ אֶת־מַחֲנֵה הַקְּדׂשִׁים וְאֶת־הָעִיר הַחֲבִיבָה וַתֵּרֶד אֵשׁ (מֵאֵת הָאֱלׂהִים) מִן־הַשָּׁמַיִם וַתּׂאכַל אׂתָם
מֶרְחָב
broad or roomy place, wide, expanses
Ben Yehuda Hebrew English dictionary
Latitude רְחָב
As in...
Habakkuk 1:5 “Look among the nations and watch— Be utterly astounded! For I will work a work in your days Which you would not believe, though it were told you.
6 For indeed I am raising up the Chaldeans, A bitter and hasty nation Which marches through the breadth of the earth, To possess dwelling places that are not theirs.
7 They are terrible and dreadful; Their judgment and their dignity proceed from themselves. 8 Their horses also are swifter than leopards, And more fierce than evening wolves. Their chargers charge ahead; Their cavalry comes from afar; They fly as the eagle that hastens to eat.
9 “They all come for violence; Their faces are set like the east wind. They gather captives like sand. 10 They scoff at kings, And princes are scorned by them. They deride every stronghold, For they heap up earthen mounds and seize it.
11 Then his mind changes, and he transgresses; He commits offense, Ascribing this power to his god.”
Breadth of the earth, America has done this, Russia cannot
And yes the Brit Chadashah was written in Hebrew
Let see what happens. Then you can get back to me after it happens and tell me the same thing...with a straight face.
Good catch.
Thanks
“”Rosh” simply means “Russia.”
Because “Rosh” means “head or chief” and sounds like Russia, in English, one shouldn’t presume it “simply means Russia”.
Russia, Rossiya or Rus (by name and ethnically in European part) are actually from Scandinavian countries, Sweden, in particular - Nordic too from Finland.
But, if we want to take Russia, the very large land that it is today, then consider the non-European part of it too, which is in fact the largest part of Russian Federation, then you may have a point.
Genkis Khan (Mongol) invaded, though was NOT Russian (Tatars have the primary Mongol influence, tho as all others too even right thru to Poland). Kazakhstan were “Turkisch” (assume you mean a Turkic Nomadic tribe - also intertwined with Mongols), from Eastern parts of today’s Russia.
Closest ethnic and linguistic nation today to the Turkic (Turkisch) tribes of the past is today’s Turkey.
I ask again, where was China mentioned in the 2000+ years after Ezekiel’s time?
Same to you
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