Posted on 10/18/2016 3:08:25 PM PDT by Brookhaven
Do what Paul did, pray that the Jews receive God's free gift of salvation.
Are you a heretic?
I wonder if you detect an accusatorial tone in that question,
"Accused"? Try ASKED.
Given that, and the fact that your overall attitude was crap, I won't bother correcting your continuing false witness.
Praying you're having a better day today.
That’s somewhat accurate. Also add what the angel said about her at the Annunciation, Elizabeth said at the Visitation, and what Christ said while on the Cross. You’re right, that some doctrine is derived (after much prayer by many holy men and women) from the fact she carried the living Christ in her physically.
Please remember we pray with her, not to her, like a dear friend or a loved one who has gone before us.
Are you a heretic?
I wonder if you'll be able to detect an accusatorial tone in THAT question, because you sure couldn't in the question I was asked.
Oh, and I’ll wear being called a “false witness” by you, or any other person being led to the slaughter with their NWO Bible translations as a badge of honor.
No.
Are you STILL a heretic works much better.
Better buy another bale; for you lack enough straw in this man you're trying to build.
That’s actually a flat out accusation, I said, “do you detect a tone(attitude of a piece of writing?” I did, if you didn’t, oh well.
I think not.
Of course, if I was a native Chinese speaker His name would be "Yesu", if I was a native Spanish speaker, His name would be Je'sus, if Hebrew was my native language, His name would be "Yeshua", if German was my native language His name would be Ye-sus, so please tell me what TRUE names do you refer to?
You never answered:
Do you think these Chinese, Spanish, Hebrew and German speakers should learn 15th century English and all read the KJV for accuracy?
So you WERE actually accusing me of something?
HMMMmmm...
My attorney might tell the jury that no evidence has been brought forward to indicate this.
I don't think you are a good example of "Christian Charity". In fact, I don't recall a single post you have made that isn't touched by some form of snark, sarcasm and general blatant dislike for anyone who dares disagree with you or your religion. I've yet to see a respectful dialog from you with those you oppose.
In answer to your query, someone enshrines someone or something by placing it or them above Christ, the Apostles, Scripture, and the Holy Spirit.
Then the answer is NO, I don't enshrine someone or something by placing it or them above Jesus Christ, the Apostles, Holy Scripture or the Holy Spirit. You actually do that yourself when you keep insisting - against all proof to the contrary - that the Apocryphal books are Divinely-inspired Scripture no different than Moses, the Prophets, the Psalms, the Gospels or the Epistles. They just don't meet the criteria GOD places upon writings that purport to be from him - which your extra books don't, BTW.
Who die Paul praise for studying the Scriptures? Were they Greeks and therefore studying the Septuagint that contains the very books you advocate throwing in the garbage?
How many times are we going to have to go over this? The Septuagint (LXX) was a Koine Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible in addition to fifteen other related books that were in use at the time. It was used by Alexandrian Jews who spoke Greek rather than Hebrew - Koine (common) Greek was the lingua franca of the time. The Septuagint was in use in Alexandria, Egypt and the Eastern Mediterranean. It wasn't until the mid fourth to mid fifth century that it even became known as the "Septuagint". If Jesus or the Apostles referenced the Old Testament - which they did frequently - it was because those they were preaching to were also Greek speakers. In the Synagogues and the Temple in Jerusalem, however, the Scriptures they used were Hebrew scrolls - NOT Greek. For example, when Jesus preached in the synagogue in Nazareth, he read from the Hebrew scroll from Isaiah (see Luke 4:16-22). They certainly did NOT contain the Apocrypha.
Did Paul happen to mention to them that they should throw out those books? Did Christ or any Apostle every say to throw those books out of the Bible? Does any Scripture, Old or New Testament, say to throw out books of the Bible ?
Mere hyperbole. Did Jesus or the Apostles EVER reference any of those books as "it is written" or "thus sayeth the Lord"? No, didn't happen because they were NOT accepted as Divinely-inspired Scripture. You keep using the pejorative of "Pharisee approved" when you ought to know that the Old Testament Scriptures were recognized as a set canon many hundreds of years before Jesus was incarnated and, obviously, before the Septuagint even existed. They are the "Oracles of God" and were given to the Jewish people - Paul affirmed that. Are you suggesting the Jews didn't know their own Scriptures?
Did Jesus Christs Himself ever say there were books included in the Septuagint that were not His inspired Word? We both know Christ never mentioned there being books included in the Septuagint that were not His inspired Word but you advocate throwing some books in the garbage. So, basically you assert that you know more about His Word and care more about His Word than the Word made flesh does. Interesting, and an indication that maybe it's not some heretic from history or anti-Christ Pharisee rabbis who are being enshrined by you after all.
What an incredibly ignorant statement! Those extra canonical books you seem so enamored with were NEVER given any authority by Jesus or His Apostles. Just because the Septuagint had some extra books in it doesn't mean they were automatically Divinely-inspired Scripture. To repeat, there were actually FIFTEEN of such books - none of which were ever in Hebrew to begin with. The Roman Catholic church included seven of these in their canon, why did they throw eight of them in the trash if that's what you think being in the LXX means???
Well, anyone who obeys those Pharisees or heretics is quite obviously enshrining them above Christ, the Apostles, and Scripture thereby making the assertion that the Holy Spirit cannot and did not protect His Holy Word from the inclusion of error meaning, therefore, that the Holy Spirit is not perfect and cannot be a part of the Trinity, hence there is no Holy Trinity. Unless the real assertion behind throwing His Holy Word in the garbage is that God Himself is not perfect, of course. In either case, such folks may call themselves Christian, they deny the basic foundation of Christianity. Obeying someone, Pharisees or anyone else, when doing so means denying Christianity, that's a straight forward example of enshrining that alternative to Christ.
Such silliness! You don't seem to understand that I am defending the perfect word of God and I know He is able to preserve and protect His word. How else do we know after four thousand years what REMAINS His sacred word?! That you are obeying your own magisterium - who only officially declared the canon with those seven extra books in the sixteenth century, though not unanimously - demonstrates your own hypocrisy since you choose to believe them over Jesus, the Holy Spirit and the Apostles.
The basic foundation of Christianity is faith in Jesus Christ - who He is, what He came to do, how He works within the lives of believers and how we will spend eternity with Him. I certainly don't question your faith just because you have a few extra books in "your" Bible than mine has. I've read them and they don't have the ring of truth or sound at all like they are Divine. There's no getting around their many mistakes and contradictions. It's because I know the integrity and authority of Scripture and the trust we can place on God's word that I reject these other books.
I sincerely hope we don't have to go over this again. You know what I believe and why I believe it.
Joseph Smith knew the Bible needed a whole series of new books added to it and you know the Bible needs several books removed from it, you and Joe, two peas in a pod.
So, you elevate yourself above Christ, the Holy Spirit, the Apostles, and Scripture.
Christ said the Holy Spirit would protect His Word.
You insist Christ was wrong when He said the Holy Spirit would protect His Word, and that the Holy Spirit cannot and did not protect His Word from the inclusion of error.
You're wrong, period.
Appreciate that.
Psalm 12:7
Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.
I don't see anything about only preserving them in English.
I'll ask your question. Are you leading up to something?
What about all the things these "apparitions" have supposedly said? Have they been made a part of the deposit of faith which must be believed?
Why, do you have a guilty conscious?
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